On July 27, 2013 Trish Kraus posted a facebook message that included a link to a youtube video entitled "I am not the ineffective communicator here..." I agree, she communicated with chilling effectiveness. I've done my best to transcribe the audio into written form. I am not going to add any commentary, but I feel it's really important to share Trish's own voice and consider the environment that no doubt largely contributed to her mental health. -OReader
Where do we go from here? I
have always been the person that has accepted change with ease, with the exception
our relationship. The die has been cast moving forward. It is difficult to
follow which road to turn on to in our life's journey. We have always moved
forward - always focused on looking back at where we are now where we have
been. We are completely detached from one another emotionally, mentally, and
physically. Where does this lead us?
By all means, it is not your
fault. I place 100% of the blame on myself. I am sure you would agree with me
on this one. Perhaps I have designed my life to fail, or even set myself up for
failure. And, I suppose it is also my fault for your failures. Emotionally we don't connect. We get by for
the sake of getting by. It is something we have slowly grown accustomed with.
Perhaps our platonic comfort is part of the problem. I can't say that we've
grown apart because we don't know what that is. I guess after spending 35 years
with someone, is this normal? For us, yes, our only answer. Sad, in ways, I
suppose. On the other hand, is it pathetic? I guess we lean toward the comforts
of not being alone. This is too difficult for us along this tipping point.
I reluctantly admit, as you know, that we have
been at this crossroad before. I know our current situation will not sustain
going forward due to my prior crossroad. Was it cancer that kept us together?
Your sympathy for me being sick and me as one epic failure as a partner to you
- but is it my fault? I don't think either of us have the skill set to
determine that, and most likely never will. Mentally, we have been detached for
years. In our long-term relationship, we attempt to blend into one, which is
what we're supposed to do I guess. Whether either one of us want to admit it,
it is who we are. We have common interests, friends, but not our dispositions.
I know that I am the person to blame for everything because it has always
worked out best this way. You have always supported me in my too many epic
failures while reaching for the brass ring, as I for you in the early days of
being a business owner.
Where does this leave us
today? I think neither of us knows. It's odd how our children are getting to
that place while we are getting further and further away from it. This sucks
for both of us, big time. Can the deck be reshuffled and stamped in our favor
again? I don't know, and I'm sure you don't either. Physically the disconnect
has been there for too many years to count. I know physically it will be four
years in October. Yes, I have been counting. I am sure you have been too. It
has been twice in seven years, maybe three. Totally, almost ten years we are
fooling ourselves if we consider this a successful relationship, on so many
levels. I would consider my hysterectomy and the removal of the cervix as a
huger complication to an already tarnished physical relationship. However, it
was long before which even complicated it even further, maybe even was the last
straw for you.
I don't have to tell you
that I have always tried to maintain a healthy lifestyle. I've came to the
realization that it just does not fit. I will never stop smoking being so
closely connected to so many smokers. I guess I'm okay with that. I get the
sense as if we both can't die fast enough in an effort to just end our misery.
Yes, I did say both. Perhaps my spirit has been the biggest demon of my life
that has affected yours as well. We can't say we've grown apart because we have
never been apart.
To answer the thoughts going
round in your head, no, there isn't someone or something else. We have a huge
disconnect that I don't think either of us know how to correct, or anyone else for
that matter. You will always be successful and have security. You are very
capable of finding undamaged goods, unlike myself. Perhaps I've just held you
back from finding that person - someone that has job stability, looks, pension,
and a comfortable financial situation. That is something that I have never been
able to provide to you or our family. I do have to say we have designed our
lives this way. As a result, there is great uncertainty in my future. Finding
someone is just not an option. The last thing I would want to do is fuck
someone's life up as much as I have yours.
The pain of you providing someone else with these emotional, physical,
and mental comforts is something that I cannot bear because we have been
without the basic needs for so long.
I was writing this in hopes
to find the answer to these burning issues that are only getting worse. We have
been missing these three basic needs for so long makes me feel that we are
destined to fail. Having these basic human needs taken away slowly only brings
me to one conclusion. Where do we go from here? Because mentally, physically,
and now ending the emotional need, we are two people living the same life in
completely different parallels. Where do we go from here? Sigh. We both know we love each other but know it
is a different kind of love that we have just got comfortable with. I am lost.
You are the greatest man I will ever know in my life hands down. No one can
take that away from either of us. Perhaps you may want and can settle in as a
spectator. This could be a bumpy right which is OK due to our past history of
being detached in a long-term relationship. With our complete lack of the basic
elements of the human need. I really do not know where life is going to take
me. But in the same sense is it the same disconnect and has lead me to where I
am now by not really fulfilling my own basic need, but substituting it
vicariously by fulfilling others we have never been able to talk about what is
in my heart and soul. Perhaps because there is too much pain that has been
inside. As I said, I am damaged goods, now only really now realizing as I write
this, feeling now that I have put into words, something that I have been unable
to for so long is one of the hardest things in my life. We are at the tipping point but must move
forward. Perhaps I should go kicking and screaming to God's country out West to
find what is that life has in store for you, our future, and me.
Thank you O'Reader for transcribing Trish's words. I really appreciate reading it, and it is a wonderful tribute to her. I hope her family can find some peace in reading this, knowing that she loved them all.
ReplyDeleteIt is so evident in this, that she was reaching out, but was unsure how she would be received due to their past. So sad her life was cut short, she had so much potential, if she just had stayed with the right people to encourage her. Sounds like they were there all the time.
Thanks Oreader
ReplyDeleteOReader, this was recorded & sent to the recipient nearly a year ago, right? Or did I misunderstand her words on her FB post?
ReplyDeletean audio I gave to John he said he didn't listen to it for over 3.5 weeks later.
I was under the impression it was done recently, like a month or so before she posted it, which was at the end of June. I could be wrong.
DeleteI don't know. My understanding of that was that it was sent to him in the 3.5 weeks prior to that facebook post. But, either way, the audio and the facebook postings both offer a lot of insight into her head. She really paints a good picture of how she saw herself at that point. It's terribly tragic because it's obvious that she was smart, quite capable, and full of life. She just lost her way.
DeleteShe says in it that she can't be with another man in the future because she's damaged and doesn't want to mess up their life...so I don't think that fits with the timeline that she was with David as she was last Summer, but I could be misinterpreting.
Re-read it, please.
DeleteI believe this was last year. & that she just now put it on her FB.
I could be very wrong, but it is my understanding that this audio letter was to her ex & that it began a dialog between them that had continued right up until her passing.
Personally, I believe that she was trying to go 'home' to her family & that David, was obsessed at the thought of her 'getting away'. Just what I'm putting together.
I am not convinced she took her own life.
I hope her family gets the answers that can help them heal as much as possible.
I am so very sorry for their loss.
I read alot about Trish today & she was a vibrant, smart, articulate survivor.
Again, I'm so sorry, her daughter's comments earlier touched my heart.
I think the Facebook dialog was over an extended period. I stll read the letter / youtube to be more recent. I read it to be after all their most trying times of the last year.
DeleteI do think she was trying to get away from David. That's why how I interpreted the "there is nobody else." I think she was acknowleging her wrongs that were possibly unrepairable to the extent she couldn't get back what she lost.
I really could be wrong on the timeline, but I agree that I don't think she was with David any longer. And I agree that she was vibrant and articulate. She may have been suffering for much longer and the note may have been older. But, I think David is largely to blame for her death, even if only what he did to get psyche. I think he targeted her and used her. And in doing so, he was likely mentally abusive and intentionally broke her down so that she felt she had nowhere to turn. He isolated her and assisted in burning all her bridges back home.
That's just how I read it. Maybe somebody can give more clarity on the timeline. But, either way, I think we reach the same conclusion regarding where she was and who pushed her there.
Yes, you are right. The post below the one I saw, she says she gave it to him in Aug of 2012.
DeleteI agree with what you said completely. Such a wonderfully worded, compassionate comment.
*what he did to her psyche -dumb autocorrect
DeleteThank you Ninja! I missed that. I didn't notice the difference in the earlier posting. Sorry, anon. I was wrong on the timeline. But, as I said, I agree on all counts. Thanks for the heads up. Sorry I was blind. Lol
DeleteI kept reading her words & I saw all the things she did for the Lynch Syndrome blogs, Public Service Announcements about early testing, diagnosis. She was a survivor. She had hope & spirit. Something or someone wounded her far worse than cancer ever did. That's alot of toxic.
DeleteOut of respect for her daughter that so touched my heart, I reiterate my deepest sympathies for her loss. I hope that ALL the truth comes out.
Trish will be remembered for all she did for those suffering with colon cancer and those that survived.
She was very inspirational to many that were and are battling for their lives. That's a great life achievement no one can ever take away.
Thank you OReader and Ninja.
this was a letter she wrote my father last august when she was ready to separate. recently she made a youtube, to show everyone her true self. i never read that letter. it was only for my father. i cant say weather or not all of this is genuine to what she sent him. but i believe it is. this was the true her. not much else on fb is her, or the truth. she was the extreme end of the positive and negative spectrum of emotions. she was strong, driven, confidant. but she also had another side. i choose not to delve into it. i have told my siblings and other family/friends. i will not tell the horrible stories. i will not tell the bad things. if all you have is bad to remember, bad to share, then share nothing at all. she was sick. she was to strong to get help. to get help, was to admit weakness. she never wanted to be weak. that was one of her worst downfalls. she tried to be to strong :( she had been unfaithful for many many years. david was not the first. not by a long shot. my mother wanted a different life than she had with my father. but she was also proud of what she had. they were self made successful business owners. made everything on thier own. they had three great kids and many lovely grandkids. child hood sweethearts to build a successful life together. why would anyone want anything else. but she was unfulfilled. she wanted to be more active, travel more, be healthier, and have more intimacy. my father was a very loving content person who wanted nothing. she made bad decisions. we all do. but she was so hard on herself for it (and i admit , she should have been, they were really bad mistakes). she was embarrassed. she tried to stop. she couldnt. she was unhappy. textbook says she should have been happy. but she wasnt. she didnt know how to escape. so it kept going. this letter was her finally admitting that things were very toxic for her. and at this point i fully supported her. but VERY shortly after this release of pent up emotion, all things changed. this past year, my mom was not my mom. she was unlike anyone i ever met. she was a stranger to me, and to everyone she knew. we didnt know why, all of a sudden we were all the enemy. then we were told of the correspondence between her and david. he was telling her to study pages of text he sent her. telling her that her family and friends were the cause of her illness, and that he would fix her. (some people might wonder why, why does her daughter sit here, typing such long texts to us....well ill tell you why, i cannot stand for anyone to misunderstand her/their situation. i want everyone to know the truth! an maybe in some way, getting this all out is my therapy for the situation. i live so far away. and its sometimes seems like my only way of preserving a proper memory of her. thats why i take the time to write this.) david became her toxin. the slow poison. lawless was not the first "lets fix the corrupted system" group. but she was not like the other men i have read about in lawless. she wasnt out to use/abuse people. she related to these men, to this group, because they were the victims. she often made herself to be a martyr/victim. you dont turn your back on fellow victims. so she believed them, believed their stories about terrible people who wanted to destroy their "good" work. she loved the film industry. so she got involved with the lawless film. if she were her old self. the lawless name would have integrity, ferocity, and set goals! but this man david, he is sick. he took a sick vulnerable (and if you really knew my mom, you would know just how vulnerable she was. and i mean no offense. it was hard to know the real her. a lot of extended family didnt even know.
Deleteso she was a part of this group because of its "goals". she was fooled. she was manipulated. if you could only read some of the emails between h er and david. but our family has more respect than that. she would never have wanted that stuff made public. she was strong (not as strong as she wanted to believe and not as strong as she would want us to believe). im so sad...ty all for allowing me to post and release here. and ty for the articles to commemorate her. she was not a weak person. she was not one of the "typical" lawless people. she was tricked. taken advantage of. she was a sick person who was recklessly cared for in the end, by the one person who convinced her, he would make her all better...
Deletesorry, two posts were needed. i typed past the amount allowed. and i didnt even say a fraction of what i wanted to. i want everyone to know everything! <3
and I thank you for saying all this....its A. good therapy as you said and B. its important for people to learn from this in the future. Trish won't be the last person in this situation sadly.
DeleteDavid was exhibiting classic cult like behavior, cut all ties to family and close friends....only david and his fellow cult members could tell her what is right and wrong. That was the ultimate toxin for her.
Contrary to what Marty said on his fb page, not only did I not attack Trish, I actually kinda admired her. I remember listening to her talkshoe shows and thinking that she was someone I would much rather hear from than Bill or David. Like you said, you could sense she was alive, she had passion and she still had compassion, something that Bill and David no nothing about.
Thank you @Grey Ce, for taking the time to tell us.
DeleteAgain, you touched my heart with your words, even more.
David was. Is The Classic Abuser , has nothng to do with being in a cult. He abuses He abused his X wife badky and he was abusing Trish as well.
DeleteOReader something we can both agree on. She was smart, quite capable and full of life. Please note that I post who I am and do not need to hide behind a ficticious name. I am not the enemy and am always available to discuss issues with you or anyone else as long as the conversation and or dialogue are civil. Again my sincere regrets for the loss of life of our mutual friend Trish Kraus. Just curious where did she get the nickname of JET? To John Kraus if you ever care to get together for coffee so I can meet you in person and talk please just let me know. I see we have several mutual friends on fb.
ReplyDeleteok Marty, you said: "she died and was a victim of a broken heart brought on by years of bullying from her own family members and estranged husband and a sick group of people from a blog called Joey's page who were relentless in their personal attacks on her."
DeleteNow can you please show me where we made personal attacks on Trish on here? Not to mention relentless?
And regarding anonymity, let's see. If it was good enough for the founding fathers of our country . . .
DeleteAnd, furthermore, everything I say is exactly my opinion. It's unwaivering and true. Knowing a name has no bearing on my opinion. In fact, I'm probably more honest this way. If I were in a group of friends, I might further temper what I had to say so as not to offend anyone. Think of it this way, you get my unfiltered true self. You're welcome.
Jet came from the first screen names her and my father made together. flotsem and jetsem. after a band. (maybe i misspelled them, idk, but ik they were not spelled the traditional way to begin with. kind of ironic in a way, hindsight)
DeleteWell if people read what they will find out is that we never said much about her. Personally, the only thing I am against is fake 501c3 entities and people who want to take out politicians in office via violent methods that are not part of the current legal system verse using voting numbers. I am also against hate against arabs. There are a lot of nice people here in Detroit area but some people have this set prejudice about muslims because of the small amount of whackjob jihadist overseas. Nonetheless that were the only nation going all over the globe installing our way of life as if we are Klingons. Just saying.
DeleteFlotsam and Jetsam.
DeleteWhat a fun story. Thank you Grey Ce, for sharing how she got that nick name!
DeleteQuoted:"ok Marty, you said: "she died and was a victim of a broken heart brought on by years of bullying from her own family members and estranged husband and a sick group of people from a blog called Joey's page who were relentless in their personal attacks on her."
DeleteNow can you please show me where we made personal attacks on Trish on here? Not to mention relentless?"
Actually that I believe is a quote from my mothers fb page, a comment made by dave.
an marty...my father does not read this blog. on ocasion he will read if he is sent a link. me and my sister until today are the only known readers. but i did however notice the link to this site was shared on fb today. so things might change
I can't imagine anyone having the gall to post what Marty did after his FB remark and that passionate post from the daughter.
DeleteJust goes to show how ignorant and opportunistic the whole lot of them are.
That is sad, if it was on your mom's page, from David. Yes, neither he nor Bill want the minion followers to stray away and actually read what's going on. No one can think for themselves. It is really sad, but you can see, we know what you have been saying about your mom being controlled by David, and used by Bill. They don't want us talking about it, but that won't stop the truth.
Delete@Grey Ce; you sound like a class act. Probably got that from your mother.
DeleteThe rest of that group, right to the top, are toxic.
@ Marty: "I am not the enemy." But you are not a friend either. You sit by and let your friends get attacked. You are no one's friend.
DeleteMarty, you are not the enemy. What you are is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with being a phoney, opportunistic, lying, mindless lemming.
DeleteHow's that "Regional Director" fake gig working for ya? I understand you haven't heard from
your Grand Poobah or the mother ship in months.
And what exact duties are incumbent to such a position?
It's great that Marty is cross pollinating from his FB to this blog.
ReplyDeleteMaybe some of the lemmings will finally learn the truth about their beloved leader.
Yes, the one who couldn't be bothered remembering her with a wonderful tribute? The one who couldn't post anything today but "hate" emails from Boushie? The one who never responds to any facebook messages that don't kiss his ass or pertain to him personally in some pathetic way?
DeleteYes, they all need to step away from the pie. Bill uses everyone, manipulates them and makes them think that anyone who speaks the truth, is the evil one. Humm, sounds just like David. David did the same manipulating, brain washing and tricks to Trish, to turn her away from her family. Trish got it in a double dose. Realizing she was not only being used by Lawless, but David. That is seriously twisted and disgusting.
LOL - cross pollinating...
DeleteThanks Grey Ce for clarifying that for me. I have only been to Nevada once in my life and that was back in 1963. I would also like to extend my sincere condolences for the loss of your mother. Many in this Joey group assume that I knew what you all knew and I don't. But if one were to go to my fb page and see my profile picture you would see a photo of myself (in my pre grey days) with Ronald and Nancy Reagan. To Sean D. Fleming... I agree with you how a few people can make others biased toward an entire group of people ie the Muslim Community. I was on the security detail when Pastor Terry Jones was in Dearborn, Michigan on April 29, 2011 and again on June 17, 2011. I was there to protect an indidual's right to free speech regardless if I agree with them in part or in whole of their message. I have several friends who are Muslim and many of them are opposed to the radical aspects of Islam as is being seen now in Egypt. None of us as humans are perfect and make mistakes. Some more than others and often times those mistakes have repercussions and hurt and effect other people even the ones who are the closest to them. I don't know all of the details of the recent events that have transpired with Trish's passing but I do know that a person who cared for others and loved her family is gone and can never be replaces. I do know from reading what I could about Trish that her grandchildren were her life and gave her purpose. A comment was made on this site about comments that I made about Karen Chism. She is the wife of Dr. James F. Chism and she admitted to trying to poison her husband. I was contacted as I became a national Elder Advocate after my mother became a victim of Elder and Guardianship Abuse and was financially exploited. Between myself and his 3 children were able to get an emergency court order and save this man's life. So where is the crime that I committed? I work to resolve conflict not to create it and I have made enemies along the way but those are usually the ones who are committing the crimes that take issue with me. The raid on my son's home was in violation of the Constitution and his 4th amendment rights to an illegal search and seizure and more will be mentioned in the news as false statements were made in an affidavit where the detective writing the report knowingly and willfully committed fraud and provided false statements and created a bogus search warrant after the fact and I believe planted evidence and did not confine the search to the 4 corners of the property and incorrectly named me as some big time drug dealer. As I mentioned before I am not the enemy but will fight to protect my rights and the rights of others. It does appear that there had been some mental or depression issues that happened over the course of the last year or even longer. I will respect the families wishes and not attend her funeral as I do not want to do anything to dishonor Trish or disrespect her family during their time of grieving and no this is not about me. Never has and never will be. I will be a voice for others when I believe that they or their rights are being violated. And Anonymous my days of cross pollinating are over and if John wants to pass on the coffee and make it a nice cold beer that is just fine with me. I will say a prayer for our friend Trish and one for the family as they need time to heal from losing this gem of a human being. Again God Bless.
ReplyDeleteWhen were you the voice for others? When did you respect the rights of others? You told people in Lawless that you were their friend. Then you watched silently while Bill hunted them down. You are not a friend.
Delete".!. and a sick group of people from a blog called Joey's page who were relentless in their personal attacks on her. ~~ I believe that this death needs to be looked at as a homicide rather than a suicide and will ask the Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette and his staff to investigate the circumstances and the events that led up to this sad ending for my friend Jet Trish Kraus."
DeleteOh, Kumaya my ass, Marty Prehn.
You can't have it both ways.
Anon we accepted Allie Gate after she probably clapped in DC at bills plan have those Grand Juries and hosted Talkshoes also
DeleteNah. His sphincter tightened at the thought of someone looking into all of his lies.
DeleteIt's damage control.
Thanks Sean, you did. I was asking Marty.
DeleteWhy would John ever want to share anything with Marty?
DeleteI hope Marty really reads @Grey Ce's words & leaves her & her entire family ALONE.
The anon below at 2:07am made a prophetic analogy.
Insect. (my word choice would be vermin)
"... Many in this Joey group assume that I knew what you all knew and I don't. But if one were to go to my fb page and see my profile picture you would see a photo of myself (in my pre grey days) with Ronald and Nancy Reagan."
ReplyDeleteAnyone care to take a wag at what the f&#k this even means?
Please notice how quickly it turns, as usual, to being all about him. That Reagan story never really adds up from a date perspective.
Oh please ANON explain yourself on this one. What does not add up? Hell were you even born back in 1980?
DeleteCross pollination is usually caused by insects and in its truest sense is contamination between two distinctly different genetic constitutions.
ReplyDeleteGood riddance.
Grey Ce, thank you.
ReplyDeleteYou're mom was beautiful, inside and out. I completely understand that fragile comment, and it doesn't negate the strong comments. From the outside looking in, I see somebody that cared very very deeply for other people, maybe to the point of forgetting to develop herself even though she was quite introspective. It seems like David Scheid took a very beautiful trait in your mom (caring too much, wanting to fix the world, wanting to make herself whole) and exploited it.
It truly is a terrible loss. You mom did do great things in her advocacy, and she obviously helped to raise a very balanced and articulate daughter in you. I hope you continue to remember the great things about your mother and continue to forgive her shortcomings. And, I hope your entire family can heal.
Ahhh so the "sick people from a blog called the Joey page" was just a repost from his Grand Dragon David Schied. So just as suspected, David is trying to use her death as a way to attack those whom he doesnt like. This blog has NEVER gone after Trish Kraus. This blog has been RELENTLESS in its exposure of David Schied. So David is trying to claim Trish's tragedy as a way to play the victim card against us. Thats the bottom of the barrel, which is exactly where I had him pegged at being.
ReplyDeletethat certainly is a touching comment from someone who is obviously a caring and perceptive individual. Eloquently put
ReplyDeleteoh look, a lemming strayed from the pack. (is that allowed?) That is the extent of their mentality.
ReplyDeleteBut, it's just another one who will feel so stupid later, when they step away from the lies and pies.
That comment is a great example of the class level of the remaining Lawless followers. I can just imagine these people taking control of our country.
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ReplyDeleteIs that endearing comment from the great schied himself. Ya sound a little jelly anon lol. Go crawl back to the rock you came from.
ReplyDeleteSorry, I decided I wasn't going there & I deleted my snarky retort.
ReplyDeleteObviously, no one that has commented here is worthless, nor are their comments.
Each & every comment reveals & teaches something.
Even the comment above by the Anon at 9:36am.
<3 Ms Petunia
ReplyDeleteI'm going to follow your lead on this one...but yeah, there was a lot of backspacing to get to this point.
<3 my friends.
Everyone has a role, even if only to serve as a bad example.
ReplyDeleteIf this blog didn't effectively tamp down Marty Prehn yesterday, I have no doubt he would have exploited Trish's death as retaliation against him for blabbering about the Mayor of Troy, MI - just as he did when his son got busted for selling drugs.
ReplyDeleteAs with everything under the sun, it's all about him and his noble cause.
Me tamped down? I think not. And for the record.... Get ready. I take exception to anyone who does not respond to my phone calls, voice messages and or e-mails or lacks the professional courtesy of a reply of some sort. I was taught in college in my public speaking classes that an effective speaker is a person whose CHARACTER, KNOWLEDGE and JUDGEMENT commands respect. The same holds true for anyone in a Leadership position. It is about respect. One of the final projects that Trish Kraus was involved in that I know of was to redo the intro to my 35 minute filmed interview about the legal issues that I have been having to deal with. The color used in the initial introduction was a magenta color and very hard to read on a computer screen. I had requested that it be changed to white lettering and the quality of the film was greatly improved. At the end credit was given to Jet Trish Kraus for her assistance in the remake of my personal story and what is most interesting one of the observations that I made over a year ago is that Americans have lost the ability to be compassionate about other people and be willing to help others out who are in need of help. Comments were made that I did not support my friends from LAWLESS AMERICA. I have tried to stay in contact with many who have left and made it known that I am there if they need my help in any way. For the group out in California I did get them in contact with a news person that I met and asked them to cover their protest and there was media coverage. I tried a number of times to get media coverage for Loryn Ryder in Ohio but the reality is the MSM does not give a damn and go after sensationalizing a story and will cover it if it involves, murder, drugs, sex or politians who have the last name of Weiner. Did you know that his real name on his birth certificate is Oscar Meyer Weiner? Oh no another birther conspiracy. Get on it Sean. The story, not the Weiner. If you are not afraid of being brainwashed by me go to you tube and in the search box type in my name Marty Prehn and watch the filmed interview that I did and give me your thoughts and or comments. FYI I have lost nearly 70 lbs since that was filmed as I had congestive heart failure and Atrial Fibulation going on. That song is true whatever doesn't kill you will make you stronger.
DeleteA) Most people mark your emails as spam - even Google has you flagged.
DeleteB) You might have been on Bob Jones University's campus at some time in your life, but you didn't graduate and certainly didn't learn anything.
C) Why do you keep pretending you and Trish were so close? You only met her once and she was not spending any time on your stupid video. What makes you think you're so important? Your own family has said your silly video is BS and you always were the black sheep of your family.
D) What color is the sky in your world?
A) Most people mark your emails as spam - even Google has you flagged.
DeleteB) You might have been on Bob Jones University's campus at some time in your life, but you didn't graduate and certainly didn't learn anything.
C) Why do you keep pretending you and Trish were so close? You only met her once and she was not spending any time on your stupid video. What makes you think you're so important? Your own family has said your silly video is BS and you always were the black sheep of your family.
D) What color is the sky in your world?
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ReplyDeleteStalk much, Marty?
DeleteAre you the same Anon that posted the link to the Macomb County Commissioner's meeting yesterday? If so, fair warning going forward: some of us might be a little sensitive about being used for your personal axe grinding...
DeleteBooshie Knock off: I think we have this issue well covered down below.
DeleteBill spends the past few days, desperately tying to spin some emails he says are from Tiny, into a "crime" situation, with such trivial basis, I have to wonder how Marty et al feels about being ditched on such frivolousness. (considering they all feel real "crimes" have been committed against them)
ReplyDeleteI mean really, how can anyone look upon Bill, as any type of helper/leader in their goals anymore? It should be clear as day, that he needed an elaborate scheme that they (being conspiracy minded folks) would buy without question, so he didn't have to actually follow through with any of his promises.
So, instead of ridding the world of corruption, he has focused his efforts on made up stories of haters, that he will hunt to the ends of time, and mean while, you all are just left dangling in the wind. All this wasted time waiting around for him, and he never intended on doing anything to help.
See a pattern here? It's all about them, individually.
DeleteYes. It is more apparent than ever.
DeleteHi Oceans! Hoping all is well with you~
ReplyDeleteBill once wrote me and i am going to ask hom in an email, was he provoking me with "big man".
ReplyDeleteHere is the mail; "You have done your damage and have committed your crimes. I ask again big boy, send me your address. Absent that, cease and desist. Further emails or posts from you constitute the crime of stalking here in Montana."
Thoughts? I wonder i see tiny email there but where is bills response mail?
Yes Sean, he is provoking you on two levels....1. he, yes he Bill Windsor, is insinuating that you are fat....2. he is calling you a child and unfit for a showdown with him
DeleteThat always kills me "send me your address so I can sue you". How stupid IS that? I swear I hear my G'pa every time Bill says that - "go get a switch and come here so I can whip you". Even at 4 years old I didn't fall for that one.
DeleteIf Sean is considered fat then I am REALLY in trouble. FYI Sean just do what I do and tell people that I am just larger than life. Listen to the song I NEED A HERO to understand the humor in that comment. Bonnie Tyler is the singer of that song.
DeleteSpeaking of "I Need a Hero", how did that "Red Carpet" event to raise $1 mil for safe houses and a pacemaker work out for ya?
DeleteFraud.
Speaking of "I Need a Hero", how did that "Red Carpet" event to raise $1 mil for safe houses and a pacemaker work out for ya?
DeleteFraud.
"Let the Crusades Begin"?
ReplyDeleteSounds like a warm, peace-loving ol Teddy Bear.
http://multimedia.detnews.com/pix/photogalleries/newsgallery/TerryJones/index17.html
Yup.
DeleteMarty & the Pastor are real Peaceful.
Scary.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/article/330541/8/Quran-burning-pastor-coming-to-Mulberry-despite-protests
yep, all these freaks have one common strand in them....they want to abuse our freedoms to the point of absurdity. They are losers at life, so they wan't to tear down the Nation with them.
DeleteNotice the bright yellow DONATE icon near the top right.
Deletehttp://standup-america.us
Some more of that Marty 'cross-pollination' & many of Lawless America followers & commenters.
DeleteHis son's attorney has a name that sounds like he could be of Arab descent.
DeleteWonder if he's seen that picture?
The best part is Marty is pretty much unknown to that pastor. He's more of a photo-opting gadfly.
DeleteSince when is selling hateful tshirts for $2.50/hour considered "Security Detail"?
Deletehttp://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/8/pastor-terry-jones-plans-mass-koran-burnings-mark-/
Deletesince he said it....it became real when the words came out of his mouth. Reality is irrelevant, make up your own, just ask Bill.
DeleteSome other Annon is posting Terry Jones articles.
DeleteI'm only interested in Marty Prehn and his silly, make believe associations and how he seems to gravitate toward society's lowest (ie: LA).
http://downriversundaytimes.com/2011/04/30/pastor-protest-draws-crowd-to-city-hall/
ReplyDeleteWhoever keeps posting that Jones crap, you're only drawing attention to a boil that everyone is hoping will go away on it's own.
ReplyDeleteMerchandising, merchandising, merchandising! American commerce runs on sequels and on merchandising. Yeah, gotta have those hats and tshirts, the bumper sticker, the fb and twitter (LA anyone). Don't forget your cartoon, your breakfast cereal, your spinoff and video game. "Gimme, gimme more," Americans scream. The baseball cards, the sneakers, the cologne. All our heroes, all access, all the time.
DeleteExcept for Biblical heroes, no, no, no, we need to hear more about Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but who needs to know more about that child called Jesus? Never mind that many of those Holy Books contain life stories of some of our most cherished leaders; never mind that a legislative body (and we all know those types should be rounded up and killed for treason, thus sayeth the great BillWay) once met to decide which texts to place in the Bible and which to leave out; nevermind that the Bible even takes from texts written much earlier. Nevermind that Bible has poor character development and has been mistranslated, and hundreds of versions of the one true "Christian" Bible exist today....lets round up the other texts and burn them. Better to control a people than to let them make an educated choice of their own--even though many believe that God himself gave us our free will. That kind of thinking is SO last century.
Valid, but off topic.
DeleteGuess you hadn't heard what Jones does in his free time.
DeleteWhat I'm hearing is another Boushie - seems you are looking to incite a group to harass Prehn. Too bad for you all the groupies are already tied up hating on Bill.
DeleteExcuse me? Hello? I'm not the one who brought this topic up, NBTDT. I am not looking to incite violence, I am simply commenting on the violent behavior of this man someone else brought up.
DeleteNBTDT--you once told me that you had proof that Tiny was worse that Bill, now without cause, you are trying to throw me under a bus as a criminal as well, which makes you claims against him seem all the more questionable.
I was told that you would turn on me.
Now I want to know why? What did I ever do to YOU personally that you should decide to believe insane conspiracies about me? Speak up. What proof have you got against me? Because all I see is a bitter woman where these other people have told me you are so kind to them. Fess up, because your anger towards me is completely unjustified and if you can't speak truthfully then please don't hide behind insane conspiracy theories.
Or did I just jump the gun? Was that aimed at me? If it wasn't I apologize. I have my faults, just not the ones Windsor has been selling.
Delete@ LNM - WTF? I was talking to the Anon that keeps posting about Prehn & Jones. My comment had nothing to do with you. All that stuff you are talking about, geez, either y'all need to quit doing whatever drugs y'a'll are doing when you talk to each other or give me some so I understand your hallucinations, hysteria and paranoia.
DeleteOK I'm sorry. The paranoia comes with the atmosphere, no drugs included. There is infighting here from time to time. I thought you were still mad at me.
Delete@ LNM - thank you for the apology. I was never mad at you. We can agree to disagree and I will still love you tomorrow....
DeleteInciting to harass Prehn?
DeleteDid this person even read what Prehn called this group and what he claims they're responsible for?
Prehn is a Schied wannabe, minus any discernible intelligence. "Michigan Regional Director" is one of his many make believe titles of the "Lawless America family" (his words). His crocodile tears, song dedications and vows for justice for this "murder" are far more illuminating than anything I could post. I couldn't even make up crap that compares to his lunacy.
I thought you were going to block my posts, NBTDT? How were you going to pull that off when it's anonymous? Apparently you can't or you wouldn't have chimed in again.
Everyone else, you want to get a feel for what's left of LA and an insight into the head of a mindless lemming, Marty Prehn makes a great case study. Lying opportunist extraordinaire.
AND... the only similarity I have with Boushie is our mutual love for glory holes.
@ Anon 7:56: Where did you get the idea 1) that I was going to block your posts and 2) that I could block your posts?
DeleteI am sure all of your reasons for bashing Prehn are valid. But, so far all you've done is make personal attacks and bait us with stuff we already know + Marty Jr got arrested in June for drugs. You are obviously trying to get us to do your dirty work for a personal reason. So, you have a hidden agenda, you are trying to form a gang to cyber bully somebody you don't like, you make stuff up that didn't happen....
Yep. Looks like you have a more in common with Boushie than glory holes.
Please tell the blog what has been made up.
DeleteThe County Commissioners post was a page taken right out of the David Schied playbook. Find it on YouTube.
You made it up in your head that I could block your posts.
DeleteNow, go away.
Well, shitfire!
DeleteNBTDT has a blocking post wand & she's been holding out ALL this time?
Wtf, NBTDT? You coulda whacked Snoozan's drivel with it months ago? & you waited until now?
Bahahahahahshahahaha snort!
Sure, we'll go with that.
OMG the circle BS. If you have something to share, then do it, if not then STFU. We aren't doing your research for you, or starting some kind of fight for you Anon. This topic is something that interests you, you brought it here. Stop being insulting to those who won't play your game.
DeleteLOL. I will call you out every time you try to use us. Bullies have a special smell, with their own unique variation. I'll know it's you, like I know the others. Ask Booshie. He will tell you, I'm always right.
DeleteBut, you are not an Anon to me now. From hence forth you shall be known as Booshie Knock Off.
David Schied's NDAA Oakland County Commissioners
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oyCDEA6-mw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
@ Magnus: Thanks.
Delete@ Booshie knock off: why don't you start your own blog?
Some discuss the LA Regional Director who accuse this blog of relentless bullying and possibly murder, others find more low hanging fruit in attacking fellow Joeys because their posts somehow offends them.
DeletePotato, patatoe.
Gotta admit, I was fairly warned at 5:28 above.
"LOL. I will call you out every time you try to use us. "
DeleteI'm calling you out. Again, what was made up?
I have to laugh at big bad Schied in that video ^^^ He did not seem well put together with his little speech. Waving his arms all around like that. It was not a concise presentation at all. He wasn't a composed professional court frequenter, by any means either! Sounded all frazzled and looked like a hot mess. LOL
Delete"I thought you were going to block my posts, NBTDT? How were you going to pull that off when it's anonymous?"
DeleteAnd, there is a HUGE difference between somebody expressing an opinion about something or coming here like you did with this "Everyone else, you want to get a feel for what's left of LA and an insight into the head of a mindless lemming, Marty Prehn makes a great case study."
Now, please go away. Don't go away mad, just go away. Go start your own Marty blog. Maybe we'll come by for a visit...
@Ninja; Zactly. And the Prehn audio on that site yesterday shows what I meant by him being a Schied wannabe and taking a page from his playbook.
DeleteDoes NBTDT really speak for this group?
DeleteIf yes, LA isn't the only group with a leadership problem.
Gee. I always thought Ginger sounded so intelligent.
@ Booshie knock off: All the court watchers are all like that. You need to get out more, focus your hate on more than one person. It will do you some good.
DeleteThis is apparently some weird parallel universe where everyone speaks for themselves and that alone. It's my blog, I run it but I only speak for and vouch for myself. Crazy concept I know but that's how the cookie crumbles over here
DeleteGinger, ginger, ginger. That's hardly fair, yanking those posts and letting that bully get the last word.
DeleteBut, not a big deal. Charity starts at home.
Not Ginger.
DeleteMe.
I let you amend your "ugly" post...then you kept going. So I put them in the spam bucket.
Ginger may be annoyed with me, but you guys annoy me.
Get back on topic. Stop being petty.
I will take my punishment from Ginger.
Perhaps your comments will return. Who knows. But this was my post on here, and I am tired of you guys detracting from the point of what I posted. Capiche?
Capiche. I was getting bored myself.
DeletePfffffft!
ReplyDeleteLast time you pouted you weren't coming back, guess you need the blog more than it needs you huh.
DeleteBill Windsor changed his cover photo.
ReplyDelete3 hours ago.
THE TRUCK OF A WOULD-BE KILLER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MONTANA.
This is the truck driven by the man who has threatened Bill Windsor of Lawless America at least 17 times and who has harassed and stalked him over 100 times in the last 18 months.
And I am the guy who has gone to his work several times, stalked him, harassed him and others who know him, taken numerous pictures at different times of his truck. I even went to his work several times, go a picture of his door, his home, posted horrible, defaming comments about his employer, sheriff's stations around the area, numerous Judges, all the horrible media who never listens to me, all in two weeks. And no one is gonna stop me, because I am William M Windsor Damnit.
*Not actual comment by Big Baby Windsor*
Eh, why not. He's posted hundreds of photos of the Jeep of a would-be filmmaker.
Delete^^^^^^ LMAO!!!!!!
Delete...and Sean works for a would-be university.
DeleteBad Julia Fletcher, how dare you question Bill's fake emails to himself.
DeleteJulia Fletcher Can the authorities track where the emails are coming from? Could it be someone else pretending to be Mr. Boushie pretending to be someone else?
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This is really all too much. GRIP, lawless, Teabillies, KKK, whatever you want to call yourselves are nucking futs! Now a woman is dead from your highest ranks (under Billdo) and their leader nonchalantly continues his stalking tour.
DeleteYou ignoramus's cannot expect the general public to NOT have any commentary on individuals, especially your leader, trampling on everyone else's rights. Get real!
My heart goes out to Trish's family. I know that this blog hasn't relentlessly done anything towards her. Bill and David on the other hand this blog has been downright up and down their asses and righteously so. I highly doubt that drove her to suicide.
Rest peacefully warrior.
LOL - Teabillies
DeleteLooking for that darn like button.....
@ OReader: Great picture of Trish. I hope that her family and friends will remember her the way she looked that day, beautiful and full of life.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that fragility in a given moment does not negate the strength we saw in Trish. A person can only take so much mental or physical pain, no matter how strong they might seem otherwise. Like Gingersnap, when we listened to the talkshoe shows, I thought she was the only one really worth listening to. She sounded so in charge - I always thought those guys would be lost without her. I sincerely hope they are, lost as hell and full of regret.
I haven't had time today to check in on Bill's sites. But from the looks of what's posted here, he still hasn't done right by Trish. Boggles the mind that stalking a keyboard 'koward', as deserving of a thrashing as he might be, would take precedence over remembering someone so devoted to Bill's cause.
Again, RIP Trish.
I want to know who is responsible for this http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57599191/b-1-bomber-crashes-in-southeast-montana/
ReplyDeleteI wondering, I knew Trish before she left her husband in Michigan before she went cray cray. she was cool she loved Alex jones and glen beck and believe in it so much no wonder she join a cult and died of depression. that what happens when you get brain washes on one world order and the snake people shit and government FEMA camps, poisions people est no wonder she went out at lease she didn't kill any one.
ReplyDeleteI think all people who worship or belived in conspiracy theories should go off them selves
OMG what a thing to say @7:13. I think all of that conspiracy stuff is crap but come on.
DeleteI doubt this is the ending anyone in Trish's life would have wanted for her regardless of her brainwashing. It takes a tremendous amount of pain for someone to make such a dark and final decision. Have you no compassion?
Anon at 11:29 says anon 7:13 is Naomi. They also used other words too.
DeleteThis posting on the blog was done by me.
I know tensions are high, but can we pleeeease remain civil?
yeah she my aunt, I hate when spew crap about shit and cheat on my uncle. no wonder she drove everyone away with crap, picking up dead bird of the road, she breaks many dame laws and spew shit. I use to love her but I happy she in peace with life but she will live on in the sprit world. I am native Indian my self but I shouldn't Hating the laws. she was cheating, spewing lies, the family want her in a mental ward. oh we'll I love u Trish we will miss you hope you forgive a the wrong we did.
ReplyDeletei even at her wake today. I loved her when I was young. I will look after my cuz and grand childern for her
http://youtu.be/2oyCDEA6-mw the trouble with schied and bill is that they both live in a shuttered reality that we are not using common law in criminal issues. Grand juries are not used all the time for everything but bill and david insert grand juries and indicments into everything. Its kind of sorry. But then again what do expect from them who believe they are represnatives of the continental congress. I believe both bill and david have those old wigs from back in the days of 1776 the wear them and do lewd acts to each other wearing them.
ReplyDeleteDavid best be careful and be worried about the police comeibg to see him. Esp since he had. Trish car keys and wldnt give them to here. this smelks a bit bad.
ReplyDeleteThat "Marty" is a Psycho- Stalker - Pervert "Near-Do-Well" who just plain LIES, to everyone and anyone ... even, Denny McClain (Former Tiger,Pitcher) Ex.= he posted on Denny's wall that he was working with the Tiger's to make June 11th 2013 "Denny McClain" day and that he had a deal worked out to get Denny on the Wheaties box (the post is still on Denny & Marty's wall's ) JUST A TOTAL OUT AND OUT LIE. He claims he is a "Michigan Senior Advocate, appointed by the Gov. of Mu ???????? REALLY? He claims to know everybody and anybody and really knows NONE of the people he claims to know or be in contact with .... He uses his Pretend position's and contacts to hit on unsuspecting female victims and sexually harasses them (like anyone woman with a oz of self esteem would ever touch that FAT, SWEATY perverted Pig ... Ugh, so disgusting .. and his son BTW was arrested a year ago for ASSAULT and DUI ... The guy is just CREEPY, SCARY !!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI'd like to expand on the comment above to say that THIS WHOLE THING IS CREEPY AND SCARY!
ReplyDeleteHey Anon 9:53 mgo to my fb page or Denny McLains and look for the prototype of what was suppose to go on the Wheaties box. The only think that stopped production was his agent signing the contract to have this put in the stores. A point of correction is that I NEVER said that I was appointed by any Governor so nice try with a flat out lie. Then you make up another lie about my son having a DUI. Also not true. Amazing the lies you come up with. me hitting on unsuspecting female victims and sexually harasses them. REALLY. And when did this happen? Document your comments or just shut your mouth. And it was suppose to be on July 11 for the Bill Freehan and Denny McLain Day 11 for Bill Freehan and 17 for Denny Mclain. 7/11 is the store that we have in Michigan and they were wanting plastic cups to be printed up but Denny was out of town that day and the Tigers were hesitant to allow this due to Denny's past and felony record.
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