Part 3
By NBTDT
So, prior to 2010 we have a coalition of activists with issues that range from domestic to government corruption to judiciary corruption to sovereign rights to constitutional interpretation, to avoiding the IRS. It appears leaders in the activist groups formed a think tank, of sorts.
Around the time Restore America Plan was formulated, e-mail within the General Congress discusses steps to address common concerns. The answer appears to be, rally a movement to oust government officials and judiciary by forming grand juries and/or through existing government.
Clive Boustred: The only remedy you have is to gather your neighbors together, form Grand Juries and your own courts and take back America one neighborhood at a time. For goodness sake, you are the government!
All we need is for the masses to get off their asses.
By the way, why file it in a private court? You are the government, form your own Common Law court and jury. You don’t need judges. Besides all criminal cases must be prosecuted by jury only.
Sam Kennedy: Those of you who have ALREADY JOINED ASSEMBLIES ARE VERY WELCOME to take the covenant of office for the Guardians of the Free Republics and the De jure Grand Juries. In this way, you can enjoy direct participation in restoring sovereign control
The power rests with YOU, with all of the collective members of the sovereign People who make a simple collective decision…
So in essence, YOU are the remedy
…that the remedy lies within you. It is up to YOU to come together and reclaim your birth right in the presence of the Lord .
WD Duff:
it is in all our interests to compell them to perform as designed...... and hold accountable anyone who would ignore that mandate. that would include any act, statute or code by our agents that tended to block our ability to enforce that mandate.
John Roland: The people, acting collectively through constitutional convention or referendum, are indeed sovereign, and they may indeed choose to change the legal system, but they haven't, and you, as an individual or dissident faction, can't do it by yourselves…… I expect economic collapse, after which people might become more receptive to our message, if we organize ourselves to deliver it
Copied in e-mail from Cynthia from Bastialaw regarding acting as Private Attorney and forming Grand Juries: If more people would do it, or combine their resources to do it, would be a more accepted practice and most effective in holding the Bench & Bar Gang, and all others we have given a sacred trust of honoring our Constitution, preserving its integrity, accountable to the Rule of Law with us as the Sovereigns, the Masters, over them, our servants.
During this time Bill is tied up with his own legal issues. David Schied is an activist in Michigan, busy with his legal issues, working to set up RSI and using his experience in the movie industry to tape stories of victims of government corruption. After the failure of the Restore American Plan, all discussion goes quiet.
Fast forward to February 2011. Bill starts a blog about his legal filings and government corruption. Bill tells his audience that he has researched many sites on various related subjects. He launches a Face Book cause page called “I Support the Constitution and Bill of Rights”. He needs and challenges 1 million people to join his cause.
On February 27, 2011, the first conference of the cause is held. It is announced as non- political, non-religious; all activist and cause groups are invited to join under the Lawless America umbrella with single purpose, address corruption. Goals include generate 1 million supporters, “take matters into our own hands”, get all government officials to sign an Honesty Pledge, get 3 minute videos of corruption stories . David Schied volunteers first to be a State Coordinator. Bill points out he has one state covered – 49 more to go.
On March 6, 2011, the second conference was held. David Schied participated in chat, Jon Roland appears to have been the phone guest. The discussion was focused on Article V, with relates to citizen presentment to Grand Juries and organization of a mass movement. The group discussed a march for July 4th , the event is called Meet Me in DC.
Not much happened in April. Then on May 3, 2011, David Schied provided Bill with the statute to present criminal charges to Federal Grand Juries. Bill posted the information, instructions in how to file and said every victim “should do this”.
From May through September of 2011, Bill posts a lot of information and discussion on Grand Jury petitions, suing judges, RICO violations, government corruption, judicial corruption, filing criminal charges and death threats. He pleads in several posts, urging readers to go public. Everybody should join the cause and prepare affidavits to present to Grand Juries on all corrupt government officials and judges. RICO filing information is posted for every State.
On November 15, 2011 Bill posted a lengthy endorsement of a candidate for DA in Texas from Jon Roland. Then on December 7 and 11, 2011 Bill announces that he is regrouping, Save Our Constitution Konvention (SOCK) is taking shape. He will produce videos, there will be a web blitz and links to GRIP and all cause groups. SOCK will be held January 15, 2012.
On December 15, 2011 the SOCK agenda is posted. Special guests include Jon Roland, David Schied, David Grossack, Rev Freddie Pinkney (associate of David Schied), Jeff Lind and Jack Bauer. Bill posts on January 2, 2012 that John Margetis (of joeyisalittlekid fame) and Carl Swensson have confirmed to their attendance. In brain storming ideas to motivate and involve more people, the movie is first mentioned.
After SOCK is held, Bill posts the steering committee:
The GRIP Steering Committee
The following people have agreed to be on the Steering Committee for GRIP: David Schied, Will Gallison, Sally Borghese, Wes Hoyt, George McDermott, Dr. Joseph Zernik, Arnie Rosner, David Grossack, Diane Gochin, Denise Loughlin, Eliot Bernstein, Joe Norman, Larry Hohol, Jon Roland, Phil Stimac, Professor Roger Roots, and William M. Windsor.
During February of 2012 Bill announces that the best way to get people involved with the movie to tell really good stories. Also during the month, he announces his candidacy for US House and Chief Magistrate Judge.
In early March, Bill announces that his trip may need to be delayed because there aren’t enough victims coming forward. About mid-month Bill announces that he will draw more victims to be filmed through the promise to film and present proposed legislation in every State capitol and testimony will be provided to every member of states legislation, the US House and Senate. He asks for those willing to be filmed to help by “identifying other people we should interview”.
On April 5, 2012 Bill gives a seminar in how to “sneak” evidence into a Grand Jury. I point this out as the methods Bill suggests got him banned from the court house and nearly got him arrested. Similar methods of addressing a Grand Jury were written by Jon Roland on July 13, 2002 and can be found on his web site. Mr. Roland cautions that the suggested methods may result in arrest.
So, the movie road trip starts in June 2012. With the help of the cause and activist groups, a data base of over 200,000 names has been compiled and 1,100 victims are scheduled to be filmed. In August Bill extents the road schedule to accommodate the growing number of victims that want to be in the movie.
In October 2012 Bill announces the Lawless America Revolution. He says “we want our country back” and we no longer have our Constitutional rights. Bill proposes that those that are aware of our loss of rights join forces to educate the masses. “We simply need to educate our fellow Americans and remove all of the corrupt and dishonest people from office.”
As we watched the drama of the cause group withdrawals and were horrified that some of the stories presented were not factual, we missed the point. The facts of any given story were never important in the “revolution”. The individual causes and situations were never important. This is about numbers, collecting people and creating a movement with a specific agenda. And how do companies (and sometimes the government) advance ideas and indoctrinate the masses? They advertise, they market the idea and the product. How do you get your message out and capture the attention of a large number of people? You offer them something they want, for free. In this case: you volunteer to tell your story of corruption to us, participate in our cause and in return we will present your story as testimony to the government.
Bill did tell the truth when he said the thought nothing would be accomplished in the DC event. He said that all along, from the very beginning. The Nobodies did not hear him; they were focused on the hope and the promise of their testimony being heard by somebody that mattered, somebody that could do something to help them.
The DC event is over, the government didn’t listen, nothing happened. The Nobodies are asking “now what?” Bill is guiding the Nobodies as he gently reveals the agenda through instruction in blog posts and seminars Talkshoe shows and videos. Now they are expected to be more than just a victim. Now, the Nobodies are expected to understand legal terms like Writ of Mandamus and statutes like RICO. They are told how to ambush judges and Grand Juries. They are told to complete extensive reading assignments and carefully study their state laws. Bill has told them all, in bold print, to prepare but not to take any action until they receive further instructions from the Lawless America Revolution. Did they realize they would become active participants in the “revolution” to jam up the courts and oust the government? Did they sign up for this?
As the “victims” and the cause groups have withdrawn one by one, who remains? David Schied is in the number two spot. Jon Roland is working quietly in the back ground; he
is also running as a Libertarian or a TX US Senate seat. The Lawless America agenda is now in full view, should anybody care to do their own research. Bill has linked to Jon Roland’s site.
http://lawlessamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1322:recor d-audience-for-lawless-america-show-about-filing-criminal-charges-against-corrupt- judges-and-government-officials&catid=130:grand-juries&Itemid=105
I want to thank NBTDT for this three part series. The amount of research into this is 5 star work.
ReplyDeleteKnowledge is power, and one of the most fundamental things Bill counts on from his lemmings is that the have ZERO idea about where he came from or where he is going. But as you can see, he is just leeching on to a bigger nationwide movement. If you are not paying attention (like the lemmings) you won't notice the slow evolution from fixing your custody court issues...to overthrowing the US government as we know it.
Gawd, part one and two were eye opening. Part three I'm sure will be too. Kinda freaky I was so close to a dangerous bunch of creeps. No wonder he didn't start showing me the "plan" til the end. [Grimacing] No wonder he gave less than two shits about the people's stories unless for needed followings.
ReplyDeleteThank You NBTDT for your extensive research and reporting. I can not tell you all how grateful I am for sharing this information, helping us (those who are listening) get out before it was too late, and helping us understand. Many years from now I will understand that I was vulnerable due to life events and that I trusted people who had this whole thing planned many months/years in advance.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the info. and thanks Allie for informing everyone of his lies and deceit.
ReplyDeleteIncredible wrap up of the whole shebang there NBTDT **standing ovation** WOOO HOOO
ReplyDeleteLOL, and as a side note, another story on his FB page is bogus at least in part...
He posts this:
TIARRA FAIN SPENT THREE YEARS IN A MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON AND HAD HER NEWBORN BABY TAKEN AWAY AND ADOPTED OUT...ALL FOR THE CRIME OF PARKING IN A FIRE LANE. HERE IS THE FULL INTERVIEW.
And less than 2 minutes of research finds this:
The ACLU points to the case of 22-year-old Tiarra Fain as a prime example of the serious physical risks posed to women who are severely restrained during childbirth. Fain, who was eight months pregnant when she was arrested and convicted on forgery and other charges, was reportedly shackled by a chain around her waist, with her wrists handcuffed and connected to the waist chain, when she went into labor in 2010.
While I abhor the shackling of a pregnant woman in labor, she is not quite the innocent who was only in jail for parking in a fire lane SMH Her mother posts on the web too about how innocent she is, and how they stole her children...sorry, not buying it.
His "sympathetic" stories are more drama and set up to incite people to rise up thinking how horrible our world has become. It is so clear. He posts this stuff, without any factual basis, and of course, those who are already on the edge will swallow it up and go off the deep end.
DeleteHe is banking on it. It's why he keeps up with all the hater stories (which we have noted get the most comments) all the horrific "they done me wrong"- (c)NBTDT- stories, and why he has been loading more youtube b.s. I haven't watched many of them, but I would guess, they are more heart-wrenching, or drama filled corruption types then most. It's getting near May Day for the filings, and he's got very little time to pull some major punches to incite these people.
Please joey folks, don't pull a Bill and re-victimize a victim.
DeleteBill never vetted any of his filming subjects, so the reality is that not all are lying scammers. In fact he does have a number of people whom are truly victims. Tiarra Fain is one of them, her story is true. Bill's Headline is simplistic and sensationalized, but ultimately also true.
The forgery charge is signing a name other than her own, on a MOTOR VEHICLE VIOLATION TICKET. Sentence, 2 YEARS. Other charges are: Giving false information to an officer (name other than hers), and the parking violation. Sentence, 1 YEAR. She did serve a total of 26 months in PRISON. She did not have a prior criminal record.
I did vet this info. I contacted someone I know with access to these records, it has been verified.
My guess is Bill finally decided to publish this for some legitimacy for his agenda.
HawaiiCorruption
@ HC: legitimacy of the stories is and always has been irrelevant to the agenda. The agenda is to collect a mass of people pissed off at the government, stir them up even more, then lead them into paper 'revolution' against the government.
DeleteAs regards Ms. Fain, maybe her sentence was harsh. But by her own admission she broke all kinds of laws, one right after another. Maybe there were other factors not made public that influenced the judge's decision too.
I haven't heard anybody claim that public defenders are the best representation. In fact, I think everybody would agree that the system could be improved. But clogging up the courts with criminal filings by a mass of just pissed off people, convicted of crimes they admit, driven by a group of people with a hidden agenda is not the answer for the rest of us.
I agree with everyone. Awesome work NBTDT, so much research, and laid out in a completely understandable order. Freaky yes, but so enlightening.
ReplyDeleteAlso an interesting point is that he isn't airing the phone calls tomorrow about the grand jury filings, and those who are going to do it. This doesn't really jive with Mr. I post everything. Something just doesn't sit right with this.
ReplyDeletedo you think it's because he is skipping out, or is it because he doesn't want recorded evidence against him when this all blows up in his face and people start getting arrested for following his instructions on how to harass people in the courts?
DeleteLMAO, I still think April 1 was a much better date for these fun and games...
The last 3 talkshoes were pretty much the same with a lack of participation. Do you think he wants RSVP's for May 1?
DeleteI'm kind of leaning towards the opinion that he doesn't want the numbers public of who is actually filing. Two fold here, in that IF Pie Man is answering to others, he can lie about the people who intend to file. (Since it seems the others before had failed attempts probably because there wasn't enough support)
DeleteAnd, if people go rogue, he can just lie and say they weren't a part of his group to keep him from being arrested as their leader.
I think the IRS should keep a close eye on the big names from NBTDT's articles. I have a gut that they donated a large part of the funds to this little fake movie trip.
Pure conjecture but I think they are at the point they want to minimize public info. They want the filings made in mass, in unison in each state and they do not want the date to be known by anyone out side the group. The point is to jam up the system.
DeleteThis is awesome I have a video brewing on some news. Wait for the link. Also I mention that this is interesting because I am sure that all of those groups of DV, parental rights, and so on that have followed him are now going to follow suit. My question remains since these civilian grand juries are not recognized by anyone then what. I want to know the answers. Do they work where they will investigate then give charges then what? what is the final outcome and who will enforce the charges or execute the penalties?
ReplyDeleteUm....nobody.
DeleteThis is like Cowboy Taft citizen grand jury, with
ReplyDeletea kicker that you all have appointed yourself
judge too.
Congratulations you out did Billy Bo bob Windsor.
Why you fell compelled to frame and loop in
100's of people you do not know, as some feeding
off of Bill is staggering.
But, you control the Blog, Nd are immune from
comments, and other views.
So, you can all do your high fives on
this, but it is odd, Allie appears to be
the only one going along with your
charades.
You really are a piece of work. It's one thing for the Nobodies to get not know the connections and get tricked while they go in with idealism in their hearts. But you have been shown the connections and still want to turn a blind eye. You seem to think that Bill just sorrounds himself with these people and it means nothing, or at least that is what you want to shame us into believing.
DeleteHOW DARE YOU. Truly. You have no right to tell me or any other person what is right for my family. I have a right to know if people I am with are domestic terrorists and I have the right to protect my family. You don't get to decided that these connections are meaningless and that I don't need to know them. You don't get to decide that these connections do not put my family in danger when we are around them. You don't get to decide that my name ends up on an FBI watch list because I was never told that Bily would rather kill people than learn to live in peace among them.
None of us are judge and jury, that's Billy and his pal's thing. But we are concerned citizens, and we have the right to know. We can also look at people's videos and websites and see that by their own testimony they support what our government consideres terrorist ideology.
You post under the name Anonymous because you are deceitful. The Nobodies post under Anonymous or else don't post at all because they are terrified. You have no right to judge anyone. LA is dying and I am happy for whatever smalllll part I had in wielding that knife. Now don't you have your next scame to plan or has that already been planned as well?
Yeah, you snorters have appointed yourselves
DeleteEL Grande D A , Judge and Jury, on your
crazy Jihad, and are almost like some
Tex Taliban, and are in a frenzy fed by bull
,lacking real evidence.
You are out doing Bill,
the race to delusion- Ville.
Talk about lemmings, you exhibit that
in your latest.
Do you know the Ivy Leaguer Bill
filmed, or the music agent, or others..?
No, you demonstrate a detachment from
reality as much as Bill.
You see, I don't need real evidence to decide that a person is too greasy to be in my life. And it is for the police and the FBI to collect the evidence. I don't have to collect evidence or make a pretense at a grand jury to warn others that certain people have a troubling past. And as for a detachment from reality or any other accusations of mental illness, I am pretty sure a therapist might want to speak with you in length about why you are unable to speak freely and coherently. Or are you banking on the insanity plea?
DeleteHere is the thing...I wrote a very controversial article entitled William Windsor an American Terrorist in which I introduced this group of loosely connected sovereign citizen members and their use of what is called "paper terrorism". Susan and several others freaked out at the very idea. Now NBTDT has been kind enough to do all the research and connect the dots for us in a three part series.
DeleteYou are free to reject our theories, accept it, ignore it or even laugh at it. But for those who refuse to live their lives with a head buried in the sand, it was important to not just make the claim but to trace that claim directly to Bill and Lawless.
Sorry, for eth typos, etc. If I controlled the edit keys I could reedit, but you get my drift.
DeleteSure there is no 3 in "the"
This Anon's attempts to distract readers from making their own opinions based on Bills actions, and what other blogs write is pretty clear.
DeleteInsult, harass, annoy, flood the blog with riddle type rantings, so readers just stop reading. Everyone not affiliated with Windsor are free to come to their own conclusions, voice those opinions and share experiences or not. But, they need to know more than what he forces them to see.
This Anon wants people to see that Windsor is a nothing, however if that were true he wouldn't have anyone following him, he wouldn't have hurt people by naming them in his hate .com articles, and he wouldn't be ignoring their cries for help.
Windsor may be a nothing, and a failure at every venture he puts forth, but from what I have seen, no other ventures have involved such a large number of potential victims. I am grateful for this blog, and others like it, that show the other side of what could be going on. Windsor doesn't want anyone reading, thinking, or forming opinions of their own.
See, once they do, he kicks them out. So the distraction by this Anon is nothing more than the slighted hand of Windsor or a Windsor supporter.
You're exactly right Ninja. He/she is another diversion tactic against the innocent "Windsor".
DeleteWhen will people wake up and see all the pain he's causing others? Geez I recall on this blog, we spoke of this early last fall - sitting back and watching how many people he was suckering into the false hope of a movie changing their lives and the court system.
The movie was never about helping others - ever! We also knew there was never going to be a movie made. He wasn't traveling to help others and his heart was never in the right place. He has NO HEART. He's a vicious evil pos.
Those who discount what we do and say on this blog can KMA including you wacko ANON who cannot piece together 1 coherent sentence.
Those at this blog had no stake in Lawless or Windsor months back. Not being a part of Windsor's world, I believe, helped the regulars here see him for what he was - a charlatan.
Those who were caught up with Lawless / Windsor were too blinded by their own life's issues and we could not fault them for that. The only we could keep doing was to continue firing the warning shots to expose what we knew the outcome would be. Billy was not going to help them in any way AND we also knew he would destroy some people's world because he was never about helping others. If his heart was in the right place, he wouldn't hurt and destroy people (like Allie and others), would he? If he cared at all about the children and the suffering they live through, he wouldn't attack.
But what none of us could see in hindsight - months ago - is the bigger picture now pieced together by Ginger and especially the in-depth dots by NBTDT! He's far worse than just a scamming little sociopath needing attention for himself. His plan B was always the ultimate goal as he knew DC would never work.
What exactly are you afraid of Anon? For someone that appears to be so disinterested in every facet of this blog, you sure seem to discount the serious permanent harm Windsor has caused his followers, current and former. How blind can one be?
To the anon who thinks I am following along with everything this blog says, and am the only one who is:
ReplyDeleteI do agree with a lot written on this blog. Not near all. I do like most people here. Not near all.
I never, even in my extreme Bill Windsor days, agreed with his government take over plans. Even before he showed me his more extreme side, I didn't agree with having grand juries for everything under the sun, or death penalty to only treasonous judges, or that treason consists of anything Bill doesn't like. So the switch you see, is not much of a switch. I was in it for family court change, biased judges, lying case workers, cps fraud, etc. The closer he got to "phase two", the more I focused on "phase one".
This blog , in some opinions, is rude, stupid, and mean. I used to feel the same way, until I started seeing Bills real personality. Bill showed me that, not this blog.
Take notice I post here under my real name. I am not ashamed of the fact I speak out against Bill Windsors hurting people. I'm only ashamed it took me so long to witness it without minimizing it in my own head. I do not agree with all who write here, nor do I believe all written. I do, however, share a common goal. To alert as many people as possible to see both sides and make an informed decision based on something other than their trauma inflicted by the government.
Sometimes, there are two bad guys. Sometimes, the second are the very ones who fight the first.
Yep, that's an important Key Point: rude and immature are not crimes. Who is that holds rudeness as worse than domestic terrorism and scamming innocent people?
DeleteIt's also important to note that he hid these plans until late in the game when people had so much invested in the movement, and then he used distractions as well to keep thought and conversation away from what he was really doing. He is extremely manipulative. And blaming his victims for his manipulative ways is abusive and shows a lack of emapathy on the part of the person doing the shaming and blaming. And I wonder if certain people find it easier to blame Bill's victims than to admit that they are powerless to change someone they love. Barbara and family, please seek counseling.
DeleteHi all, this is Redd. @lawlessnomore he did not hide those plans, not completely anyway. In googling his older stuff he was looking for supporters who were against corruption. If they would agree on that one thing he wanted to post a link on their page and he agreed to post their link. The purpose was to get numbers and go after corruption and then the other issues would come out later. He was just looking for people to agree on that one point. Once the movie got going he was not real vocal on that point, but it is arguable if he needed to be. There is a lot on the net about his search to build up his numbers. For many it was just free advertisement. http://www.lawlessamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=626:battling-corruption-heres-what-you-must-do-to-help-us-become-qmainstream-mediaq-part-1&catid=107:grip-government-reform-a-integrity-platform&Itemid=105 *~* Redd *~*
DeleteYou are right, Redd, he didn't cover his tracks. But neither did he volunteer up to all the mothers and fathers that this was the true reason when he was offering up this movie. We all should've researched him better and then we would have known right away.
DeleteIn hindsight, it's easier to see that those who chose to follow him should have researched who and what he really was.
DeleteIt will always bother me that those he drew in were already desperate, and willing to grab onto anything and anyone who told them what they needed to hear. He is smart enough to know what he was and is doing. He doesn't care if he victimizes those followers.
In the future they will know there is no pie in the sky, and that people like Bill are willing to use them and toss them aside, and possibly abuse them horribly. Including harming their court cases.
It's a great lesson, but a very painful one. I applaud those willing to see that they are involved with someone like Bill, and move on and carry on.
Scarier still is the use of their information and videos to serve whatever purpose he wants. Signing those releases was a serious mistake.
Good Points, A
ReplyDeleteHowever, Bill never represented the nobodies.
If he does not speak for you, why is
that not the same for others ?
Bill is not the many others in terms
of their views on life, issues.
Bill can agree with Roland, that does not
mean 99 % of the others do, he put on
film.
Only Bob Hurt might be in some dot dot area.
Not, the other 99 % of the so called
nobodies Bill set up for attacks, ridicule, mocking
etc .
BTW, I am not a nobody.
You don't know me.
I wish you well, A.
I agree most of the people filmed do not represent Bill or his extremist opinions. I do think, though, Bill represents them. He has put himself in that position, and most of the people filmed have no idea what that encompasses.I am pleased he got mad and pulled my video down. I am also pleased, that if he puts it back up I have recourse to make him take it back down.
DeleteBill did not disclose the truth about his extremist views which would be shocking to most Americans especially when any relationship with him at all means that WE get investigated as well. That was dishonest. He portrays himself as a hero and poses for the hero worship. Yes he pretends that he advocates for victims when he knows this was all a scam for his own needs and that is exploitive. And no one needs to know or care how intimate he is with these fellows. We still had the right to know and decide that no we didn't want to be in the same hotel with a group of extremists or put our family in the middle of a circus Bill created. Like a terrorist he uses good people as human shields and he uses experts and innocents alike and in doing so he cheapens our credability to hide and improve his. I'm not impressed by one who shames or blames the victims for not seeing what he was doing because there was no way they could have known this. And there was such attempts to hide the truth in the past and to this day.
DeleteI wish I could remember how many months ago Ginger was trying to pin this guy. Ginger couldn't put a finger on what Billy was up to, collecting so many names, SSN's, private info.
DeleteNow we know.
@Lawless, I disagree to an extent regarding blaming the victims. At what point aren't we responsible for our own actions? How long do others actually read details like NBTDT and Ginger puts together and still chooses to keep their heads in the sand? IMO, it's two-fold.
Months ago, I admit I was completely repulsed by the actions of Joey's dad - on a parent to parent level.
Joey's dad was warned about a major scammer named Barbara Farris and still chose to follow her blindly regardless of the amount of evidence placed before their eyes. Even his wife / Joey's mama admitted she read anything and everything related to her son online therefore she also read of Farris' criminal history including her destroying the reputation and financial destruction of the Wild Kingdom claim to fame - Jim Fowler.
After Farris proved to be the manipulative con artist she is (and she also hurt Joey's case) - Joey's family moved onto blindly believing in Windsor. - another external unknown entity as if he was the be all / end all answer to their son's criminal problems.
We repeatedly kept firing those 'shots' at Joey's family to show what Windsor was - given we knew we had their undivided attention.
Joey's dad chose to spend time & money painting his wheelie truck with the Lawless Logo instead of doing anything pro-active towards his son's case. If anything, they could have spent all that time trying to get Joey to plead out, which if it were my son facing an almost perfect conviction rate with the Texas Rangers, I would have done my best to shake up that reality regardless of guilt or innocence. Get the plea and fight the rest after the fact.
The other part in this - does show how very talented and skilled Windsor is at the con game. The reason those like Madoff for example - get away with it for years is because they perfect their manipulative tactics even to the most intelligent, best and brightest of people.
That's the part where victims aren't to blame. Their desperation about their own world / court case blinds them to the reality of what's really going on. I won't fault anyone for that part.
The rest, I would hope and pray have learned a lesson for their own future. If some of the current followers that are completely innocent in this domestic terrorist game - end up landing in jail due to Windsor's advice, where is the accountability for one's actions begin and the blame on Windsor end?
I don't believe it comes down to anyone having to shame people so they will walk away from Windsor.
On the other hand, those who read all of this information regarding Billy, especially directly from Windsor's previous followers (like yourself, Allie, etc etc) that are now HIS VICTIMS.... and still choose to see him in a perfect light need to be shaken awake before it's too late. If someone showed an investor Madoff's history and proof to his criminal activity only then to have that investor still choose to invest with Madoff, does he/she have a right to sue Madoff's 'estate' for any financial ruined they suffered? I don't believe they could or should given they had fair warning and prior knowledge. kwim?
A con is a con until the jig is up. As far as I'm concerned Billy's jig has been shown for what it is. The man is very dangerous. Those not heeding the massive red flags, I for one am finding it more and more difficult to sympathize with whatever ending is headed their way.
omg, sorry for the book-like reply :/
DeleteA thought about the personal info and SS#'s. I am wondering if this information is going to be used for grand jury court filings in some way, or any other documentation to make the movement ie people filing against the govt seem larger. Just a thought
DeleteI think his collection of ssn / people who had issues with the court system, gov't officials, elected officials, etc was a numbers game and a control game. He keeps saying he needs millions to pay attention. In order to have an effective "coo de ta", you need blind followers to believe they're doing something for the greater good. What better group of people than those who feel the system / gov't has failed them at all costs.
DeleteFor any dissenters, he clearly uses their private info and weakest part of their lives (ie: mothers and their custodial fight for their babies) as a way to either control and keep them in line or he does his best to destroy their world. There is nothing good in this man. I also believe as others eluded to - several current followers are terrified to 'leave' because of his prior actions.
The biggest reason his former VP Allie is at the top of his list? Is because she probably knows the most therefore is the biggest threat to his very 'existence' and purpose. While I know she'll continue to put her baby first in her private battle, I am thankful she's keeping a close watch on him and our blog and remains updated!!!
Yappy, I understand and somewhat agree to what you are saying. I think what bothers me is when someone blames Bill's victims as a way to defend Bill. At some point, yes we do have to be responsible for ourselves and wake up. Bill seems to be either going over the deep end now or else revealing who he always was or most likely both, so yes I too wonder about the people who haven't woken up and walked away from him. Sorry if that got lost in my wording.
DeleteNo need to apologize for anything lawlessnomore.... It may have been lost on my interpretation.
DeleteI'm not blaming those who've followed him in the past and left. I'm speaking of those who have read this blog current's info and elsewhere yet choose to defend him and his actions. Think he's harmless with a big heart? Uggg
Lawlessnomore, there is no defense for Bill and what he is doing. There is no way to force those who will not see, and they will be part of the train wreck in the end. Hope they are survivors.
DeleteThere is already blood on his hands from what he is doing to those who he deems traitors or haters. There will be more, he can't stop, he enjoys it too much.
I agree Yappy, those who have read things posted, or done even a small amount of their own research should be informed enough to make a choice. We can't make them see what they are closing their eyes to. It's very sad that people are making that choice, and there will be a price paid. But it is their choice.
Yes Oceans. I see that now. The sickening thing is how much he enjoys this.
DeleteBill is not an attorney, never appeared for any
ReplyDeletein court, is not a witness to matters.
His limited piece of paper he induced person's
to sign relates to his uploading film.
To conflate it beyond that, is going into
very troubled waters.
But, you, too A do not speak for others
to implicate them , and place them in
peril.
But, if you opt to go there, then
do you speak for Bill..?
What a circle .
Thank you, all, for your very kind words. Special thanks to Gingersnap for being so gracious and unselfish in posting what I wrote.
ReplyDelete@ Frag Anon: I am not a pro writer or reporter (that should be obvious). I have a whole new respect for writers and reporters. After days and days of research it's tough to shift through the volume of information that is in your head to put what's important on paper and stay on point. In re-reading what I wrote, I see that I failed to make an important point.
With respect to your concern that Bill has covered credible people with legitimate stories of corruption that have been over looked, I agree. We have never said or thought otherwise; but those stories are lost under the volumes of stories without credibility.
The point I failed to make is this: When the movie idea was first discussed, Bill was adamant that he wanted "really good stories", he didn't want anybody that seemed crazy. He posted a photo of a crazy looking person in straight jacket to make his point. The standard for filming "victims" were lowered when there weren't enough people signing up for the project. This was when Bill posted that the start of the trip might be delayed. Once the trip started, the standard for filming disappeared all together, it was announced that anybody that wanted to be in the movie could be in the movie.
When you back up and look at the big picture, the reason for including anybody and everybody in the movie is obvious. The agenda was, and still is, to create a mass movement against the government and judiciary.
It appears to me, from earlier comments you have made, that you have read Bill's blog at the beginning. All of the information I have posted here is right there on Bill's blog. I'm surprised you didn't see it too. What is most telling is: early on Bill was basically wrapped up in making the GA judiciary miserable. It was only after contact with Schied or Roland that Bill gave any serious attention to the LA movement.
Allie if he didnt oust you, you would still be there right by his side!! In my opinion you no differen
ReplyDeleteActually, no. Believe what you want, obviously, but it was really simple.
Delete1. I began catching him in lies.
2. That made me look at him more objectively.
3. I was fretting phase two.
4. I went to him with my disagreement on his treatment of people.
5. He told me to agree or get out.
6. I left.
7. I asked him to announce I was gone, to quiet my inbox.
8. He refused.
9. I made the announcement myself.
10. He went apeshit.
11. If you are reading this blog, I'm assuming you know the rest.
@ Allie: nice job.
DeleteBut Allie you allowed him (by ignoring) to hurt and terrorize people like me and my family. And that is worse than what he did in a lot of ways.
DeleteFB email for Jennifer
DeleteAllie I like the apeshit part. Jennifer, Allie is not responsible for Bill's actions, just like me reposting Allie's comments don't make me responsible for harming her case. I see that as more of a sin by silence type thing, similar to walking down a road at night and seeing a man murdering a child or woman, and then walking on without calling the cops. *~* Redd *~*
DeleteI know it takes us all time to forgive. I understand that. But of the many positive traits Allie has that are hard to find in Bill: remorse.
Delete
Delete“We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must - at that moment - become the center of the universe.”
― Elie Wiesel, The Night Trilogy: Night/Dawn/The Accident
I am simply stating that Allie had access to quite a bit of information from Bill. She chose to be silent. Just like Bill chose to rage across the internet. As one of his victims when I see someone saying oh but look at me now, I am trying to do good, it smacks of something horrible. I see my friends, people I care about, and my family being hurt by Bill. And Allie stood by and did nothing for how many months? That is all I am saying.
DeleteI am over most of my anger and hurt towards her, but does that mean I need to sit by the fire and sing kum by yah with her? Not on your life.
If Allie had chosen to be a free thinker and question outside of Bill, she could have contacted any of the "haters" on his list. My story is readily accessible on local news websites in my area. I have documents I could have scanned in to show her. I could have sent her links to sites created by those other than me about my case and that of my child. Not ONCE DID SHE EVER CHOOSE TO EMAIL ME. Pretty hard sell when she has access to his databases.
DeleteJust like the Among the Wolves website. They chose what they chose to publish from my emails and comments on their website. I do have to give credit to GS on this blog. He publishes everything and lets it stand. ATW uses what they want and twists it to their own perverse delight. I am done coddling those who would harm me and my family and those I care about. Lorraine, Claudine, Elizabeth, and many others make that list. Many I have never met face to face but have had so much phone contact with I feel like we are sisters.
Silence only helps the oppressor, never the oppressed. As former victims of abuse, we are (or were) oppressed. I am done with being oppressed. As L states many times, they want a fight? Well they got one. My life is going to be taking a big turn here in about a month and I will have all kinds of free time on my hands. How long do you think it will take me to look for 5 jobs a week? So Bill, JL, ATW, PMA you want a piece os me? Come and get it. I will be ready for you. Already talked to one of my absolute favorite bloggers in the world and it seems tonight she is announcing her revival. She also wants to thank nbtdt for this heads up on Boustred and the others listed here. She is going to bat for all abused moms everywhere again and this time she will not let a few death threats scare her away.
And L/C you see this PP says hi and she will be back very soon ;-)
Jennifer, please don't feel defensive towards me. You don't have to explain to me because I can empathize, but I am glad that you did so others can understand what you are going through.
DeleteThere is another silent woman bystander who has never been held accountable for her part in all of this--Barbara. Barbara if you are listening, please open your eyes to the pain your husband is causing other families. Know that this anger for Allie is only the beginning of the anger that will be heaped upon you once this goes public. If your husband is in anyway abusing you or controlling you, then he is hurting the very community you will need for help and support. Please I beg of you, open your eyes and do the right thing before God.
Comparing me not taking up for complete strangers who scream in the only emails I was allowed to see, to seeing a murder and not saying anything...boy you have it all wrong. You seem to think I was far more involved than I was. I am sorry, but when I saw it was hurting I said something to him. I have put my own neck on the line to stop him. Sorry it wasn't fast enough for Ya.
DeleteWhen I saw him trash people before me, I thought is was childish and stalkerish and mean. I was embarrassed. I said something to him. He ignored. But I did not consider that it could hurt kids, and cases, etc. I'm not sure how long I am supposed to apologize to strangers for that, but I wish I'd have seen it sooner. I saw the one sided emails he showed me, of people screaming at him. I was never shown anything else, except public online stuff, about them. So it was easy to not see pain. I am human. I am sorry. But I'm not everyone's personal savior. I am doing all I can to warn people and stop his harmful stalking. I am taking the brunt of his wrath and that is okay with me if it keeps him occupied from more kids and families.
I think one problem is people think because I saw databases and emails, and know more about him than most, that I must have also known the full extent of his plans and motives. I did not. I saw inside his emails. I saw him lie at the end. I saw his approach get more extreme as he showed me at the end. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess, but I'm not the only person that saw and didn't see. However, I am the only person that I know of fighting him for you. Maybe an hour late, a month late, a year late, but I am.
Those of you he attacked before me, understand part of it was I liked him. Part of it was I was blinded. Part of it was me not feeling it as if it were me. But at no point did I ever say to myself, hey, look, he's hurting kids and really putting them in danger and ruining cases, Ya, I think I will just keep quiet about it. Never.
People think I should of felt it, seen it, maybe I should have. But I didn't until I caught him in the first lie I saw. And even then, I didn't react how some of you think I should have. I cannot Change that.
How many of you are doing anything to stop him in real life? I mean besides talking about it. I don't mean that question pissy, I am really asking. Cobb County Courthouse says it's just me. Not sure, would like to know. Who is keeping him from doing it to the next person, even after he did it to you? Just something else to ponder.
I dont feel defensive towards anyone except those who hurt me and mine and those who hurt us because they did nothing. My case is true and is very horrendous. I have been a victim of CPS for 30+ years now. As a teen, as a very young mother and again as an older mother. CPS murdered one of my children. This was in the news media where I live when it happened. If anyone had a half a brain when the stuff was going down they would have said wait a minute, something is weird here. I myself started pulling back, in fact I downloaded my video about a week before Bill pulled it and replaced it with the stupid "release video". I knew things were funky because I contacted my blogger friend about him. She posted a very vague post about abusers and father's rights and wham Bill started attacking everyone.
DeleteIt just blows my mind that when he spoke to me and he heard my story and had most of it corroborated by an independent witness who was present, he still chose to attack me like he did. And then he attacked others who had not even filmed with him. And then because of his antics, my family went nutso and now I have had to remove myself and my child from nearly all of our family. So yeah it hurts. And when someone sees something and does nothing and does not question, I tend to get frustrated. This is exactly the crux of my own personal story. The writing is there on the wall for anyone with half a brain to see yet all those in power refuse to read it.
One example:
What part of a child missing 26 days of school is right? Well that happened to my child, and nothing was done to the person responsible for that. I have a signed court order from a judge that does not hold the perp accountable. I have multiple agencies refusing to do anything or passing the buck to another agency. I am researching and if I can find a good lawyer, I am seeing a Tracy Thurman type of lawsuit in my future against the agencies responsible. And there are many around to share the blame and the financial responsibility.
I called the courthouse personally back in January when he first named me on his blog. I also contacted the police in Marietta again in January, and the FBI. None would help. The FBI directed me to their website to file the charges there (which I did). The police said I have to contact my local police which I did. The courthouse said nothing can be done until he files something or I can choose to file something in my local courthouse. Now explain to me why I would want to create another court case that can be found by my ex who is abusing me and our child, who as recently as October pulled a knife on me and kidnapped my child? Why would I want to make more of a paper trail. I wish I could and maybe if my child was older and more protected, maybe if my ex was not as in the picture as he is, I would do something. But I HAVE to think of my child first. That is why I pulled out in December. I can send screenshots to GS and anyone else who would like them to show I was not nasty or screaming in emails to him. I simply requested to not be part of LA anymore, pull my video etc etc. He had told me I could download it to show it to anyone which I did long before the emails to him. He went ballistic because I uploaded it to youtube because my computers were being put into storage.
DeleteJennifer in case you are thinking I know who you are, I do not. Maybe that is part of the issue.
DeleteCurious to know how being blind, or not doing more to stop him because of personal cases and kids, is used as a suitable excuse for some but not for me. When I say I'm fighting for you, I don't mean by calling a courthouse and filling out an online complaint, then discussing it online. I mean I'm fighting him for you, for me, for our kids and the next poor person who gets blind sided. I don't need folks to like me for it, but it sure would be nice to stop getting torn apart for it. Just saying.
DeleteI'm sure everyone appreciates you speaking with Cobb County and other investigators Allie. We all want to see him taken down for the same reasons. He has hurt countless people and enough is enough. Time to end his game (LEGALLY BILLY LEGALLY!!!)
DeleteI find it doubtful that the IRS or feds would let Cobb County know of their investigations against Windsor. I know several women who've filed police reports and speaking for myself, I was put through a grilling for providing information to an investigator in Austin Tx. There are definitely others putting themselves out there but I doubt most will post it publicly. Nor should they make themselves a direct target, he's done enough damage to all involved.
I have never reported Bill to the IRS. I never saw anything IRS related except maybe the donations at DC he didn't give receipts for. I personally find that douchebag-y but not something I'd call the IRS over. Look, I'm not asking for that-a-girls. I'm asking that people focus on the one doing the hurting, not the ones helping or the ones silent for their own sakes, or the ones who don't see yet, or even the ones who agree with him. None of those people hurt anyone on purpose. He has.
DeleteI'd like to also throw this out there, maybe I too am doing more to stop him than I'm able to tell. Talking to investigators without taking action on your own is not productive in this case. And yes, I mean nothing but by legal means. I'm all for not making yourself a direct target, but if that's the path you choose you really have no place to bitch about others not doing it well enough or soon enough.
OK Allie, that spoke to my heart. I am not ready to forgive or forget but I am willing to set aside and work on the other later. Your words made me realize that you did not see or understand all that I thought you did.
DeleteAs for what I am doing to fight him, I am not sure what to do. The powerpuff girls post links to help with awareness. I am not sure what the calls to Georgia would do. *~*Redd*~*
If you have other ideas on how to expose him feel free to pm powerpuff and we will see what we can do.
***WARNING this is long and I'm PISSED*****
Delete"How many of you are doing anything to stop him in real life?"
Really? We tried reaching out to you. You continue to diminish our pain and all I can see in my head is that pic of you smooching your bossman's fat face in DC.
You say, you knew, you suspected, you told him, he didn't listen and you went right along. You didn't help me and I don't want or need your help now. Besides didn't you just say not too long ago you were DONE w/Joey's blog, AMPP, WTP etc. etc.?? Yet here you remain here wanting that martyr stature. YOU GOT IT. You were duped you lived and learned, so did we. Seeing your flippant comments and diminishing your actual involvement is so sickening to me. The only thing changed about you is who you're kissing now.
Too little too late is putting it mildly.
Trust that the FBI and other LE have been informed and continue to be informed weekly.
I'm SO sick of this shit I could seriously PUKE. This 3-part article is great and I hope it opens the eyes of the unsuspecting other lemmings that haven't caught the morality and reality that Allie allegedly has now. Personally, I'm done with your shit and your former bossman's shit. Don't think for one minute that ANY of your actions are going to take away what role you played as VP with this scam by me or goverment agency. So don't preach to me about what anyone is doing in "real life" against grandpa windsor because it's far more than you could ever be capable of.
Nobody or formerly known as 'nobodies' are going to change my mind on you. I thought you had a warrior spirit but you are weak. Don't give a shit either who wants to come to your defense and say "don't pick on poor Allie", I'm calling bullshit on that too. You were wrong and you can't unring a bell. You could have made an apology and actually make is sound sincere but you deflect the blame on everything else except yourself. Go work on your own personal issues, take some personal stock of your own shit and then come back with an intelligent answer and I might feel differently. Until further notice, I don't give no fuck what you have to say anymore.
That above was posted after your last comment Alliegate. Seeing your response again, bullshit!
DeleteYou say just because you don't post online what you're doing to "help" goes both ways tootsie. You think we just sit here all day bitching and complaining and don't do anything, you are clueless.
You're tired of being attacked?? UP YOURS! We've and I mean the battered moms that I support have been under attack since Dec. 29, 2012. You're only getting a 'taste' of what we've been through. Buckled up Buttercup it's going to be a bumpy ride. GET the fuck over yourself as a victim, you're not the only one.
IRS has the potential to hang him up financially big time. They were already digging and gunning for him. There's no way my tiny inquiring would have landed such a ranting. I think pulling the finances out from under this sicko's ASS would be a big deal in shutting his mouth. Especially when they possibly feel HE IS committing crimes and possibly using his son's name / business in an illegal manner. That's the lowest of the low. I'd prefer all facets of gov't officials, feds and local Cobb County police men/women be aware of Bill's actions.
DeleteWhile you, Allie, may not have seen much that warrants such a call to the IRS, I feel differently. You also acknowledge he has hid a great deal from you and I also believe he's committing financial fraud across the board / hiding his income so it cannot be seized by the judgements against him. Which too is criminal behavior.
Last time I checked, fraud is fraud and IRS has successfully taken down many people. I'd prefer to see him in jail or stopped via all legal avenues no matter what it takes.
Well I hope you feel better. My skin is thicker than that, though. I have no clue who "Roo" is, so it really doesn't matter what you think of me. You are going on your assumtions. Ride them all you want. Fact is, I am not taking the blame for your battered life or abused kids. I have already taken the blame for not seeing Bill for what he is, and I have apologized and I meant it whether you think so or not. Your assumtions on what I think or feel are more than a little off. Same for the picture of me kidding him on the cheek. How does a picture of that hurt your kids, just curious. I realize it pisses you off, but it seems I'm not the only one crying here.
DeleteAllie - how many "Jennifer's" did Billy boy call out? Umm yeah try again. Sorry to GS, yappy, Petunia, and the others on here who have actually listened to me. But I am like Roo. Please don't insult my intelligence by saying you don't know who I am. How many times has Billy boy mentioned a "Jennifer"?
DeleteThis is what sickens me about internet advocacy groups and advocates. Unless they have truly thick skins, victims get dropped and dropped quick. Petunia and yappy both figured out who I am pretty quick. How hard is it when he posted links to my FB page in his original article and in the databases which you so readily admit to having?
Jennifer, I'm sorry but I don't remember your name, but your story sounds somewhat familiar. It is possible that he did mention you in the beginning, and then stopped using your name for the generic group names. There have been so many names thrown out, and thrown out is the correct term because he literally treats people like trash.
DeleteI have reason to believe that Billy Boy had a very badd week. I use as evidence that he is trying to hide the charity from his opposing side, and probably those same letters written by nobodies will be thrown at the IRS as well. Except we all know he is controlling the charity and even if it's thru his wife he still is--and if it's not a charity then it's a business and he still owes an explanation. He's trapped! I read a post on LA with my own eyes that he himself referred to it as a 501c. That post is gone. He took it down, it used to be located by google. I can't find it can you?
He's making up dumb excuse after dumb excuse not to be on fb. He lied about needing more band width and claimed that is why he's changing servers. Lies. He said "I have a week to move." Nobody says that when they move by choice. And even that he can not do without help.
No talkshoe this week. Why? He's gotta hide. Hide his involvement with what everyone knows he created. Hide his lack of involvement in the projects he promised us all. You think the fbi doesn't know he's sending people to grand juries?
There were some very hateful messages written from "anons" this week, hateful towards those who speak the truth and hateful towards Bill and the new 2nd in command. Do you think these people who are also ego maniacs really care about Billy that much with his abusive yet pansy arse? No, and I'm sure they've told him so. LA can continue to morph and live on long after they've kicked him to the curb.
It's getting to him. Whatever you can do, please do it. Ignore him and don't give him the ego boost. Talk about him and spread the word so others will hear. Report him in whatever way you feel safe. Continue the cause so that his irrelevance in the world of activism is complete. Continue the friendships formed so he knows that what little success LA had was not because of him.
My story was taken somewhat to the 'Net by AMPP. Billy called me out as myself and with another name - two Jennifers mentioned. Only reason I am even posting under "Jennifer" is because my situation is improving and I will not have to fear my abuser. When he was doing the calling out I had very good reason to fear - not Billy boy, but my abuser. I do not fear him now. I have support now. I have people who care. I did not have that locally three months ago, two months ago. I had tons of support from people who cared but lived too far away. Now I have some local support. I am back to regaining my strength. Believe me, the life I have lived would make anyone grateful for their life. I don't say that to be better than or to be a martyr. I say that because I really wish law enforcement would look at my life and learn from it. Learn what NOT to do. Learn how to help victims. I do not see it happening until I sue for myself and my child. And even then they will not learn.
DeleteExactly, standing ovation, LNM.
DeleteSorry, but without going to dig through old posts or his spreadsheets, Jennifer doesn't come to mind. Bash away, and maybe I should know you, but I don't.
DeleteWell Allie, apparently I was typing my last post to you while you typing the post right before mine...and your post right before mine messed it up. Ya had me for a minute, but I wanna retract my white flag of truce. I see no remorse in you, and I see no accountability for your actions. All I see is a self righteous, feel sorry for me victim. Based on the articles done by NBTDT Bill can do the same thing. He can easily claim he was a pawn by those big bad boys. You don't know who Roo is? It is obvious from her writing she is a mom that made his shit list! She is a victim of Windwhore!
DeleteSometimes folks go to prison for whom our alliances are with, some of us hope to see you there Allie. I have seen now how empty your words are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q *~* Redd *~*
When you sleep with or kiss a married man, it also involves one a little deeper, Allie. You have also posted comments that insinuate you knew all that he did. You inaction likely contributed to many in court who had those posts used against them, just like what you were going through. I clearly see your role in that.
DeleteAs far as Barbara, she may be dead, she may be tied up in a closet, or she may be married in paper only and far away, no one really knows and until we do, I will not be on her case to stand up against her husband. She may very well not be in a position to do so. *~* Redd *~*
The whole family knows what he is doing, and their silence deems acceptance. Pie ass was on this page as admin, with his big fat face in a picture. (it was posted here, and within minutes, poof, it was gone) This is the company he said he didn't own. Ok, Mr. Semantics, a lie, is a lie, is a lie. Your fat pie fingers are in all the businesses one way or another.
DeleteRead the comment, and who it's from. Ya, these are innocent people who have no knowledge of the Pie Ass's antics. Babs, ya, she's just as guilty. (she's not dead or in a closet, she signs checks for him, so I have read)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=620508171296997&set=a.514826965198452.129225.128022237212262&type=1&theater
You want me in prison for what? You not thinking I'm sincere? I'm guilty of filming my case thinking I was standing up for my daughter, when really it just hurt. I'm guilty of thinking Bill was nice when really he was a stalker and harmful to people. I'm guilty of not researching him better before I went to volunteer for him. But your insinuations that I have done anything criminal is over the top. I reported the guy the same week I saw he was more than just a douchebag. You guys seem to have as big imaginations as Bill sometimes. Bring on the forensic investigators then, I'm tired of waiting.
DeleteBW's face is still on the AlcTix page as admin - https://www.facebook.com/alcatraztickets/info
DeleteScreen shot that. I guess I am blocked from his personal page, so I can't see it. But ya, he's a liar.
DeleteI think that NBTDT did an excellent job laying out the connections. If you sit back and truly take it all in, it is so very scary.
ReplyDeleteThis week I have visited all of the memorials in DC. I was humbled by the history and the reminder of lives lost for this nation. It makes these articles that much harder to read. So hard that I can't even begin to express....
Thanks for sharing Spawn. I can only imagine how a trip like that would put it all into perspective on a whole new level. I too think NBTDT did an outstanding job.
DeleteBill's true nature shines through in one of his latest articles where he states they're all corrupt. aka - all should be guilty of treason aka - his death penalty. If the USA were under his psychotic idea of a dictatorship, it's without question we'd see the next civil war. It is truly beyond my comprehension how others see him as some waif-like harmless (& giving) soul when the reality is the polar opposite.
This one post sums up the numerous people still blinded by LA Lies, which is why these articles are needed.
ReplyDelete"Dear Mr. Windsor,
PLEASE, I am pleading for you to take a moment and read my story regarding the kidnapping of my precious little girl. Mr. Windsor Sir, you are my last and ONLY hope.."
After he ignored her pleas, and someone else pointed out that he isn't helping anyone, this was her response- in part.
"Thank you Buttercup, I had no idea about Mr. Windsor,, I thought he was trying to help people and work towards stopping Judicial Corruption!!... Wow, I am shocked!"
Again, Frag Anon, there are people who believe he is their voice, their savoir, and their only hope. Whatever your agenda is to get people to stop "wasting time writing about him" or however you said it, is exactly what he wants. Not gonna happen. Anyone with a heart, and a conscience wouldn't stand by and watch innocent people be lead into the slaughter house.
Anyone with a head...makes me think of the "reasonable person" idea in law. If one is in a desperate time, such as having a loved one facing life in prison or death for something they didn't do, or if one is losing custody of one's child, how can one expect one's head to be clear?
DeleteThose of us who were victims and those who still are expect those who have had a wake up call to warn us. It is sort of a moral obligation. Something that might go on the list to get one out of purgatory one day if there is such a place. *~* Redd *~*
LOL if you were quoting me, I said anyone with a heart.
DeleteBill has not served many well, he represents
ReplyDeletenobody, or nobodies, as he calls them.
If Bill has aligned himself withthose who want
to over throw legit official Gov, that is not
in accord with most he duped to put on
film.
Alli seems like a decent person.
There are others, who Bill put on
film.
Just because he put a person on film, he does
not own them, represent them.
Maybe Bill has over- reached , over played
his film roll gig.
I agree Bill is very presumptuous, in what
has led to his abuses.
He even abused a Viet Nam Vet, just for
the hell of it, it was sickening to see Bill's
dark side on that.
"If Bill has aligned himself withthose who want
Deleteto over throw legit official Gov, that is not
in accord with most he duped to put on
film."
Yep, on that point we agree.
Or role, if some prefer in the way, Bill
ReplyDeleterolled out his camera, to then seek
to leverage that in a numer of ways.
Bill is in control of nobody else's like.
People can take back their own life, it was never
handed over to Bill.
Bill is blowing smoke, like a shaman.
Not a true Shaman, that word has also been abused and taken out of context.
DeleteBill is a Cyber Voodoo shaman.
ReplyDeleteHe has tried to put his spell on
people.
Sitting Bull never allowed the blue coats to
film him.
ha - I was checking in on LA.com and noticed a cartoon video on the right side of the page, under the posting advertising Lawless America TV, over "Ask Mr. Bill....Talkshoe". I recognized the video as an instructional one posted on you tube under Jon Roland's name. I hit the play button, the cartoon video didn't play. Instead, it was Nancy Schaefer speaking about CPS corruption.
ReplyDeleteBut that's OK, I knew where to find it. Anybody still in doubt about the master plan, here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26g0rWwvYVY
ROFLMAO!
ReplyDeleteHey Susan, Bill, Jon, et al - here's your activism. Reclaim the Constitution! Out of the mouth of babes....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WycLAHtk2GY
OK, let's lighten up.....puff....puff....pass....
Damn! Go figure. I didn't know hemp was illegal here? huh. Why? It's all over the place in Canada eh, maybe one day big brother will follow.
DeleteGuess I should go destroy all the stuff growing in my yard. hehehehe kidding kidding..... don't send the DOJ or ICE after me. But really what's the issue? What am I missing? It's basically like oregano or nutmeg or maybe even ginger?
DeleteI think Woody Harrelson would agree with you. Cannabis is cannabis in the eyes of the law. There is no distinction between cannabis grown for industrial use (hemp) and cannabis you smoke (marijuana).
DeleteWell the thing is, there's a remarkable difference in the two plants so that's why I cannot understand the USA's position regarding it. Biologically speaking, one can get you "high" and the other is nonpsychoactive (hemp). It is a great source for a variety of products, clothing, etc and a lot easier on the environment. There is more hemp exported TO the USA than any other country. Why not grow it here? That's my 2cents worth. :)
DeleteExcellent 3 part series NBTDT. I think we all appreciated your hard work and effort. There's no getting around this as far as I am concerned. Those who wish to remain ostriches have only themselves to blame by ignoring Billy's true intent.
@ yappy: thank you for the compliment. I do hope more of the lemmings see the big picture and this might relieve some of the pressure they must feel to serve Bill.
DeleteRe: hemp, I think there are several states that have relaxed or changed laws to allow production. But, it's still classified as a banned substance by the DEA. Federal law supersedes state law, as our friend Jon points out in his video. Personally, I think cannabis of any strain should be decriminalized by the Fed, apply a sin tax, let the pot heads out of jail so LE focus on more important stuff. Like, maybe domestic terrorism.
To Miford cops cannabis is also sage
ReplyDeleteROFLMAO - there's 1 or 2 in that department that probably would think that. But, I know one of the reserves, he is smarter than that.......
DeleteYa I got a friend that it happened to Like 2 yrs. ago
DeleteAlso yappy go check fb I sent a message
ReplyDeleteOk, Im gonna go ahead and mention something, for anyone who tries to or is going to take some kind of legal action against Bill, PLEASE I beg of you do not post it here or anywhere publically, if you want to tell some one privately then fine, but please dont publically post it. Now if its after the fact then thats ok I suppose, however if you post it before hand then (even though he is stupid) he can try and slam you to make anything you say be discredited or TRY ..... I know alot of people may know that but still I had to say that and anyhow surprises are always funner...... Thats called the surprise your fucked strategy
ReplyDeletedamn right Brannon!
ReplyDeleteFor the record, I am not suing Billy.
ReplyDeleteI just discovered that my name has been added to BW's hit list, which must be a result of me posting about his completely rediculous lie he got caught in about AlcatrazTickets.com.
ReplyDeleteHey Bill - I will never apologize to you or take back what I have said, written, published, etc. All you've done is add fuel to my fire and my desire to help expose you as the bully and fraud that you are to your unsuspecting victims. You know damn well you lied about a very simple issue which could have been resolved by a tiny refund to who your company wronged, but instead you lied by claiming you had nothing at all to do with AlcatrazTickets.com, then double-down'd your lie by claiming you 'suspected it was a jealous competitor'.
People who lie about such minor things will lie about anything - especially those who claim repeatedly that they have "never lied in their life", then change it to they have "not lied in the last 7 years". Your AlcatrazTickets lie in only a couple of years old, and from what I've heard from some of your "people", you are still denying it, which just adds to the lie.
As your your sniveling continues and your hate-list grows, so does the number of people working to out you for the lying fraud you are.
Stacy Emerson
Pierce County, Washington
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Ref: http://www.lawlessamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1335:bill-windsor-of-lawless-america-has-requested-corrections-and-retractions-to-defamation-libel-and-slander&catid=133:lawless-america-the-movie&Itemid=105
It's Susan. I was protected for the looooongest time. I tell the chica where to go and my name is added to the list?
DeleteSomeone is overdosing on some major crazies overthere! LMAO, Lawless America Pennsylvannia is on there. Oh really?
And I posted that Slanderfella was his cheap disgusting rip off of an idea I had given him, and now he decides that the Slanderfella page doesn't belong to him either because that is on the list too.
Please say hello to the FBI for me, Mr. Windsor. Please inform them that I am lifelong military and that you lied to me about your criminal pals and that this made me very angry because I don't like people who endanger my military community. See if they let you leave without a strait jacket or cuffs.
And all, let's welcome Bill Windsor's confirmation to the FBI and everyone else that we are not terrorists and have not been willing participants is his plans for domestic terror.
DeleteDid he put out a new hit list?
Delete@Ninja he just adds people to the list
DeleteOK thanks Brannon.
DeleteLNM - you mean you think Susan is feeding him a list of names to add, and she gave him my name? If so, well maybe, but he may have added me just after he C&D'd me, which was within minutes of posting the only comment I've made on the main LA FB page--or any LA pages for that matter (for which he promptly issued his ALL-CAP C&D, deleted two other people's comments that were supportive of me or what I said, then deleted my comment from view from his facepals, then banned me from being able to post on it.
DeleteIt never occurred to me to check to see if my name was on the list as a result - or for any reason for that matter, so it could have been on there for a while now. Does anyone else happen to notice when my name got added? Just curious.
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I could be wrong, and there may be others adding names, but he didn't add me after he kicked me out, and then I have a whole bunch of comments from Susan, and "Anon" some which I saved but deleted--which as you know is their pet peeve. I resisted rejoining them and finally told Susan off. She then listed me as a hater on her web page and now this, which of course I knew would happen because they are predicatable. It's interesting that they gave me so many chances to get in with them. I think it's because I'm a veteran but don't know for sure. Slanderfella is listed after I wrote about it? What a crock.
DeleteI think he's pulling names off here and FB. He's got me listed twice, my screen name from here and my FB page. I've never posted on his pages. He either got my name from a FB friends list or from the LA is a fraud page. And other than posting on Web's blog, which he deleted, I don't post on any other blog.
DeleteDoes that mean I have to send two retractions?
From FB:
ReplyDeleteJim Singer: When is the next conference call with Lawless America and Bill Windsor? There are supposed to be conference calls on Sunday nights, but Lawless America with William M. Windsor, but talkshoe shows Next Episode
... NONE. Please clarify soon."
WHAT A FRUCKING LIAR!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteFrom lawlessamerica (DOT) CON
The judge who I am waiting for an answer from on the Criminal Warrant Applications that I filed advised me to take some lessons at a firing range. I had a class this afternoon. I feel much better prepared to defend myself as a result. Using the instructor's 9 mm pistol, I never missed in an 18" x 24" rectangle set at 21-feet. The instructor rarely strayed from a 3" x 3" circle....at 50-feet!
No way in HELL any judge would make ANY recommendations. How freaking nuts is this loser. judges just do not do this - ever. Psychopathic liar.
yappy is in my head again - I was just getting ready to post that.....
DeleteI have heard from a couple sources that his complaints are bogus. See now he has elevated then to warrants as if he thinks he can just ask the police to arrest us.
DeleteThe gun reference is this man's way of terrorizing people. Abusive people do this all the time. He didn't actually threaten to kill anyone so legally there is not grounds, but he dropped that in on purpose because as a very abusive man he is also not wanting to dirty his hands with violence if he can simply talk about guns and scare people.
It's ok, Billy Boy. When the police respond to you and when they actually see you walk into their office--if you ever actually make the trip rather than pretend---they will no that you are potentially armed and dangerous and will respond to you as they have been trained to respond to such a potential threat. You are deciding at this very minute how you may live or die at their hands legally. Choose wisely.
I like this part too, notice the shift in responsibility.
DeleteIf you want to seek justice in your case, please read this article about our effort to file criminal charges against judges, attorneys, perjurors, government oficials, and others nationwide. Then prepare and begin issuing the letters needed.
Dang, and this hits just keep coming....
DeleteTo the thousands who have requested to be filmed who have not yet been filmed, please find a computer with a webcam, and record yourself.
LOL you were in my head NBTDT. I posted the same thing below. LOL
Delete"Go get a gun and practice with it ASAP" said no judge ever. OMFG.....he's imploding before our eyes.
DeleteHe never missed? LOL can you picture him holding the gun like he was holding the papers when he was talking to Judge Cronin (sp) Steady hand does NOT even compute.
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uURy4WGrafY
DeleteWatch the papers. LOL
ROFLMAO picturing him with a gun in those shaky old hands is sort of scary!!
DeleteNo ask Allie and the others about that. His hands got very shaky during D.C., but I spent very little time in his company. I understand they got worse during the week in D.C.?
DeleteDoes he drink?
DeleteAn interesting post just came in from Mark Supanich on another thread. For those who haven't seen it yet -
ReplyDelete"Stayed tuned some good news will be coming out soon. I will be glad to share my story then. What Bill has to say about me didn't bother me. Google my name and you can read all sorts of crap about me. The only close to factual report was done by the Seattle PI news paper. Their reporter Vannesia Ho spent weeks with me going over much of my paperwork before she wrote her story. Much of it was left out becuase the Pierce co court sealed the record to cover up all Aledged Judge Kathryn Nelson crimes. She is also the judge that sent Josh Powells boys to their death just over a year ago. Bill posted my KOMO 4 interview with Natasha Curry now with CNN headline news, They and the German movie company Sabien TV that interviewed me for 11 hours also got to see the facts of my case and did a movie of it in Germany. Like I said stay tuned Allie and I just wanted to be left alone But Soft pie face just won't let it go. I can tell you Allie nor I had anything to do with his sick posts"
(posted here http://joeyisalittlekid.blogspot.com/2013/02/bill-windsor-has-lost-his-mind.html?showComment=1363578075073#c1344974380901575122)
Good for Mark. It would be nice to see some good news come out of this nightmare the Pie Guy caused.
DeleteFrom his .com article tonight further proof he is not interested in the stories:
ReplyDelete"To the thousands who have requested to be filmed who have not yet been filmed, please find a computer with a webcam, and record yourself."
He says he is almost done with FB, he can't hit the road, if people don't have their intro's on their pages, they won't be included, I mean, he just sounds so intolerant. Worse than usual.
OHHH EMMM GEEE he is so silly....
ReplyDelete'I've been procrastinating on signing the contract that I have been given by a motion picture/television agent. Steven Spielberg hasn't called, so I guess a bird-in-the-hand is better than an empty hand.'
Spielberg??? LMAO- umm yeah, how about you hold your breathe waiting for that call Bill...no, really, start holding your breath for that one...
LOL I still don't rate being mentioned on his hit lists LOL, and yes Bill, I am one of your FB friends dude...doesn't it kill you to not know who I really am???
Ya, Steven is all about that call. LMAO
DeleteHe's been holding that "bird" in his hand so long, he's just got a hand full of shit now.
And that list, OMG no wonder he ran out of bandwidth.
LOL something that makes me wonder about his followers. You can find out most of the crap about him on his own site. From the papers he's filed with the Supreme Court telling them Bill Windsor is always right, to the fake death threats to the various hit lists in the last couple of years, including even the receptionist at a law firm, to pretty much any of the really lame stuff he posts and how it never works. It's all there on his own site.
DeleteShows how little he actually cares about the movie if he can't actually sign for it, knowing how difficult it is to market an indie and how limited his skills truly are. There's a reason he never gives the name for his fictional people.
DeleteThere isn't an agent anywhere at any price that could market Bill's lack of skill. He has no cohesive plan for a watchable movie LOL, and these Youtubes just don't cut it. But he is so full of himself, he asks Chy Johnson to be his date to the academy awards. I see a soft walled room and a special jacket somewhere in Bill's future...
DeleteOceans, I even told him you post on lawless. A long time ago. He's not the brightest yunno. I saw the other day where all you had to do was say a few nonthreatening words to him and he loves you. I almost fell out of my chair laughing.
ReplyDeleteHe just eats it up, and he loves to encourage people LOL
DeleteI find it interesting, "The judge who I am waiting for an answer from on the Criminal Warrant Applications that I filed advised me to take some lessons at a firing range. I had a class this afternoon. I feel much better prepared to defend myself as a result. Using the instructor's 9 mm pistol, I never missed in an 18" x 24" rectangle set at 21-feet. The instructor rarely strayed from a 3" x 3" circle....at 50-feet!" I know that i called and he has not filed anything at the Cobb County Warrant Applications. So, he is using this as a fear tactic.
ReplyDeleteIs Bill a good shot..?
ReplyDeleteWell, that has nothing to do with any.
The Secret Service or U S Marshals are not
Georgia State Courts.
Besides Bill sued 21 on the Georgia Judicial
Council , or so he blathered.
Again, that has nothing to do with 99 %
of people he filmed.
If Bill is a gun nut, then that has nothing
to do with 99% of the people he filmed.
Bill is largely irrelevant,
to 99.98 % of people's lives.
He is not their rep, spokesmen, agent,
Bill is not even worth thinking about him.
Take him at his word:
He is a nothing.
OK, I got 2 things to say.
ReplyDelete1) All you moms please give Allie a break. Before you go off on me, remember that ALL of you fell for Bill's crap too. If he hadn't gone left on some of you for no reason, you might still be with the group now, reading up on how to write a Writ of Mandamus. Allie apologized to everyone that she didn't see what was happening. If she didn't see what was happening, she couldn't understand the conflict and there was nothing she could do to help you. Now she sees the truth. She is moving on. YOU can't move on until you get past being angry with Allie for what she didn't know.
The common goal is to bring awareness so that Bill will be unable to hurt other mothers in situations similar to yours. You can not do that if your energy is spent being angry and beating up Allie because she didn't live up to your expectations.
2) I re-read Gingersnap's post "Allie Gate Part Deux". I have a new perspective after researching the people and connections. Susan's comments really stand out now. As soon as Gingersnap and others began to connect Bill to the SCM, Susan did her dead level best to distract us. I have to admit that at the time, I was more focused on Susan's behavior than content of her posts. Now, that I focus on content I have an icky feeling - why was she trying so hard to throw us off the track?????
Well said NBTDT on both point 1 and 2
DeleteThey didn't all fall for Bill's crap. Roo was never filmed and made his list. I was not ever filmed and made his list too. I binged that shit before Connie and Loryn ever got involved with Bill, which means...before Joeys blog got involved. Be careful what you assume NBTDT. I was also aware of Allie's past before she became of interest of you. Once my name was on that list I wanted to know what I was up against. Perhaps a refresher course is in order, why not go back and read the posts all the regulars put up about Allie before she left. Opinions on what she should and shouldn't do. All those seem to have been forgiven now. We are not all that fickle.
Delete*~* Redd *~*
There is more than one common goal here too. The ones on his list are looking for the best way to fix the issues he has either caused or exacerbated. You cannot speak of a common goal for all of us. I speak for myself, no one else speaks for me. *~* Redd *~*
Delete@ Redd: I haven't assumed that you are a hostile little being who's alligator mouth can very quickly overload your tweety bird arse. I have not assumed that you are attacking Allie and the rest of us that aren't in any kind of group are tired of it. You assume too much if you think I care about who knew what when or who was on first.
DeleteIf you can't check your hostility at the door and place nice, please don't play here at all.
However, the point is if Bill is connected
ReplyDeleteto the SCM, that does not mean
most that he filmed are.
However, maybe you have a point that
Bill will try to concoct the notion that is so
because Bill is kind of a devious bugger.
However, because Bill had a breakdown on
his Maid of Mist follies, others he filmed, had nothing
to do with that.
Bill can not conflate all he filmed are part
of the SCM, unless he lies, and continues
his con tricks.
That is the issue:
will he continue to do that ?
Bill Is not an Indian .
ReplyDeleteBill is not an Indian Chief
Bill is not part of a Tribe.
LA is not a Tribe.
It is ironic that lose jive on
soverignity, thrown around, by Cowboys.
Professor Tribe sued BLM employees,
over land issues on federal lands, and
leases.
If you read some of Taft, Roland, etc,
you might wonder if they never studied
in history about the Lousiana purchase from
the French during the Jefferson
Administration.
Bill is not the son of Crazy Horse, of Sitting
ReplyDeleteBull.
The Bureau of Indinan Affairs did not
Manage his business ventures.( Maid of Mist)
Bill has aligned himself with no legit
Indian Tribes. Susan is not an Indian.
Bill may not even have the cognitive
abilities to understand notions of
sovereignty.
So, Roland is from Lone Star Texas
slant , prompted by mug bag Rick
Perry.
That is not representative of other people
or placed in the USA.
Good point re: history lessons. Also, not representative of other people in Texas.
DeleteOk to the Frag Anon, this shit just got real for some he is harming. Court is on, and it's time to stop the silly rhymes and help stop this man from any more of his crimes.
ReplyDeleteGet it now? He's a menace.
I think Billy hurt Frag.
Deletewell, it would be nice for a change if this anon would then offer some real help and evidence, and not riddles that make sense in only their head.
DeleteI agree. I posted before I knew about criminal charges against Allie. If Frag can help, it would be nice if he could get past his pain long enough to contribute constructively.
DeleteI see a pattern here. Because of what Bill seemingly has done to a lot of people, others are afraid to speak out bc they are afraid it will happen to them, and rightfully so. I hesitantly spoke out when he tossed Loryn, Connie and Crystal Cox to the curb. Then all of a sudden bc I added them on facebook he then states that basically anyone who is friends with Loryn he was taking out of the movie bc he said he perceived her as a liar and a fraud and wanted no association with her. After that he started threatening to call people's exes and screw up cases of people whom he seemingly assumed were no longer on his side. I got involved with Lawless for 1 reason and 1 reason only, to hopefully expose how my children were falsely imprisoned by C.P.S. and hopefully to get help with my case. Otherwise, I didn't care about Bill or his cause. Yes, I thought it seemed like a great idea, but I thought it was extremely far-fetched to believe in its success. I had my own selfish reasons as everyone else probably did; as he seemingly did. Now I am one of his top 'haters' bc I also had AMPP on my facebook page, Claudine, and whomever else he didn't like at the time I guess. I asked him on his page why people couldn't just like whomever they wanted as long as he wasn't mentioned? I felt it was silly. I guess he didn't like that. I never saw a response though. I wish I'd never heard of him or even contacted him in the first place. I deleted facebook, and that was my main form of communication with friends, etc. It's just not worth the drama he's got all of us into, especially when a lot of us have court cases going on. I miss talking to a lot of my friends on there, but as long as he is stalking people, I don't want to be one of them. It's only harrassment and stalking if it is seemingly done to him, but not the other way around. If pointing out how he has done wrong and in some cases joking about it is illegal, then I am done. It's not worth it. C.S.
ReplyDeleteIsn't it funny how Bill and some of activist are all over 1st amendment issues. They can say whatever they want about whomever they want and it's OK. Protected speech. But, OMG, let someone say something they don't like, they cry foul and act like three year olds in an emotional melt down.
DeleteIt might not be worth the stress these people are willing to cause but I really hate that fear of them will shut you down. Fear is the only tool these people have. If you have no fear, they have no tool to use against you. I'm not saying it's OK to attack anybody personally. But you have the right, just like they do, to speak your mind. Don't let anybody scare you off that right.
Agreed!! Okay, on facebook I was a moderator of a Stop CPS and Fam. Court Group well Sheri Westover messages me saying I deleted her as owner or admin or something I am like noooo, I don't know what you're talking about. Damn crazy ppl. What she said and what I said...
DeleteSheri Westover
I have deleted u as an admin. I'm not sure what your problem is w me, but that's your business, not mine. The reason I deleted u as an admin is so that u cannot delete me of of a page I made. If u would still like to be a member n the group helps u, u may rejoin. It did not give me the option of just removing u as an admin. I wish u the best of luck w your kids. I'll keep them in my prayers.
Today
10:52am
Cheryl Sosby
I did not delete you and never had a prob w/ you. wtf are you talking about?!
What group is it so I can make sure i never join it again.
I don't appreciate you accusing me of shit. If you knew how to talk to ppl you'd ask if something happened b4 you just accuse. Screw you.
ReplyDelete"But, OMG, let someone say something they don't like, they cry foul and act like three year olds in an emotional melt down." "I'm not saying it's OK to attack anybody personally. But you have the right, just like they do, to speak your mind. Don't let anybody scare you off that right."
I guess that means I still have the right to post here. Make up your damn mind. *~* Redd *~*
NothingBetterToDoTodayMarch 18, 2013 at 7:26 PM
@ Redd: I haven't assumed that you are a hostile little being who's alligator mouth can very quickly overload your tweety bird arse. I have not assumed that you are attacking Allie and the rest of us that aren't in any kind of group are tired of it. You assume too much if you think I care about who knew what when or who was on first.
If you can't check your hostility at the door and place nice, please don't play here at all.