Monday, February 11, 2013

We Get Pulled Back Into The Spider Webb


Well its 3:00 pm and I'm still free.  Not only that but the Lawless page is down.

Ok, I have been doing my best to avoid old man Webby, I really have.  Yeah so he thinks bad parenting and alcohol was the main factors in Joey's rape conviction,  so he has been trying to hunt me down all over metroplex talking to people who have nothing to do with any of this.  So he collaborated with Lawless in an effort to throw out dirt on me, so he lurks on this blog daily, hoping that we jump back into his Webb.  So he tried to make fun of me as an air conditioning man whom he assumed I was.

I was still going to let all that go, until he had to throw out his latest article on his rare reporter (what he means by rare is common sense and moral decency).  Now, I'm not a big fan of Rick Perry, I think he is a dolt and I thought that way before his presidential run.  And I'm not going to get into the gay vs. anti-gay war.  Everyone has a right to believe what they want, and the Boy Scouts are a private institution and they get to make their own policies.  Welcome to America.  So, with that as my disclaimer, against my better judgement.....lets get caught back into the spider Webb:


IRVING, TX -- Ignorance and fear can play an amazingly influential role in halting progress, and the nation recently saw that played out once again at the highest level of political influence on a charitable organization.  A bit dramatic don't you think?

In the face of mounting conservative public opposition, Boy Scouts of America announced it would delay making a decision on striking down its anti-gay policy targeting scouts and leaders.How do you know they didn't just delay the ruling? An affirmative vote, originally scheduled for Feb. 6 by the Irving, Texas-based national group and now delayed until May, would have allowed local troop sponsors to decide on whether to accept gay scouts and leaders.

It's no coincidence that the Boy Scouts announcement followed on the heels of anti-gay Texas Gov. Rick "I'll never step down unless I can be president" Perry saying that he would oppose such a policy change. it might be, how do you know? Perry, a former Eagle Scout who published a book in 2008, "On My Honor: Why the American Values of the Boy Scouts Are Worth Fighting For," probably can be credited with derailing the vote. It would be nice to have a little more evidence to support this other than the title of a book he wrote 5 years ago

That's a shame because Perry you mean your hypothetical reason?, more than most people, probably knows that anti-gay discrimination often targets people who might not be gay. On no, here it comes Perry has fought rumors that he himself is gay yeah he just went there, welcome to the bottom of the barrel ever since he went to Austin as a state legislator representing Haskell County in 1984. In fact, Perry was the subject of "Head Figure Head: The Search for the Hidden Life of Rick Perry," a book written by former openly-gay Texas Rep. Glen Maxey, which alleged to document the governor's closeted gay life. but it could never be substantiated so no responsible media outlet ever said anything about it

What's even more curious about Perry's stance is that when he was a scout in Haskell County omg, we can drop even farther now? he was involved in an incident of an alleged appearance of impropriety. One night on a camping trip when Perry was about 10 young boys on a camping trip, where have we heard that before?, he apparently got cold and crawled into a sleeping bag with an older scout to get warm. When the scout leader discovered the pair the next morning he reportedly scolded the older scout for allowing Perry to sleep with him. The older scout said he took the brunt of the scolding because he was told that as the older youth he should have known to wake the scout leader rather than allowing Perry to sleep with him.

Presumably, Perry and the older scout might have been expelled for their behavior under today's scouting policy,the scouts have always had that policy and God forbid what might have happened to them had they been involved in some common child experimental sex game. Common?  What kind of sick perverse world did you grow up in?  I guess we can all be thankful that there was no booze involved because then they would have been open season to be raped by the scout leaders.

The sleeping bad incident came to light when a Huffington Post reporter researched rumors about Perry's alleged secret gay life during the governor's unsuccessful bid for the Republican Party's presidential nomination in 2012. The reporter dismissed it because it quite rightly meant nothing, and so should you except that it possibly scarred the young Perry's mind and instilled a sense of fear in him about the perception of being branded as gay. so he really is gay, but this scared him straight and he has been living a lie ever since?

Friends of Perry from of his scouting days -- some of whom remain in close contact with him still -- swear that he has has never engaged in off-color jokes about LGBT people or practiced anti-gay discrimination in his political offices. Yet every chance he gets, Perry comes down on the side of the debate with the likes of anti-gay zealot Robert Jeffress Perry is pretty far right, that would be consistent with his political platform, senior pastor of the First Baptist Church of Dallas, who from his appearance ought to understand something about the threat of being wrongly perceived as gay. Did you just make fun of his appearance because he looks effeminate?  You are doing wonders for the LGBT agenda, let me tell ya

Effeminate straight men often become the targets of anti-gay hate crimes, according to organizations that track hate crime violence.  Often?  Do you know what the word often means?

According to the organization's website, the Boy Scout's mission is to do duty to God and country, obey Scout Law, help others at all times, stay physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight. Scouts are encouraged to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.

Obviously, none of that mentions sexual orientation, unless someone wants to try and argue that "morally straight" means not gay, which hopefully no one would be dumb enough to attempt such a debate.  they didn't really invite you to a debate, but I think that is how they are reading it Instead, discrimination of any kind would appear to be violating Scout Law.  What where?  I don't read discrimination anywhere in it?  They don't allow girls in as well, those nazis.  How does something that is not there "appear" to be there to you?

It doesn't help the cause for eliminating anti-gay discrimination in the organization that everyone realizes the Boy Scouts are likely only considering a policy change because of the fear of loss of corporate funding, which increasingly requires commitments to equality for all people.  thats probably true, but facts are always good to back this up

Rather than listening to a governor whose motives are more likely based on politics and personal gain rather than fairness, it would better serve Boy Scouts leaders to listen to the words of someone like President Barack Obama.So you don't think Obama is motivated by politics and personal gain even though up until the last year he was anti-gay marriage? The president you should capitalize President, show respect noted that all young people should have the opportunity to learn and prosper as part of the scouting tradition.

It's hard to imagine anything more deplorable than the thought of scout leaders and the scouts they mentor targeting and excluding a youth from a troop because they view them as unacceptable for presumed homosexuality or whatever reason. so this is the worst thing that can happen to a human being, rape murder so on takes a back seat to this? The earlier children are taught to live and let live the better it will serve them in later life, and it's never to late for someone to learn that lesson either.  that's a pretty weak ending, but whatever

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  1. OK, so I already read this article. I just realised that I skipped the majority of the second half. I guess I was so disgusted that I checked out.

    What Webb doesn't understand is that the points he makes as well as the points he doesn't show us just what a sick little dude he is.

    I'm sure he picked up on the camping story because it related to the Joey story. You can practically hear his thoughts. "Why is Joey in jail? This kind of stuff is normal boy play. If the younger kid wants it, what's the problem?"

    So where is the link to this Huffington Post article about the "sleeping bag" incident? I binged that shit, and found nothing on the first two pages.

    Angry gay gossip columnist much?

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    1. The world already has Perez Hilton.

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    2. It's like gay Andy Rooney

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    3. ROTFL! Perez Hilton, what an idiot.

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    4. yeah. combo of a gay Andy Rooney and Perez Hilton. Wow, what a legacy to leave behind to the LGBT community. JERK

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  2. So Slanderfella just received this:

    Susan Harbison

    GS, on the very, very slim chance that you have not thoroughly researched cyberstalking and cyberharrassment laws, I am going to suggest that you do so.

    I'm sure you know that as the site owner you are not responsible for what your guests say.

    I'm not sure what choice of law applies to your situation. TX does not appear to have any cyber stalking or cyber harassment laws, I don't know what Georgia's criminal law is.

    http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/telecom/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx

    I think it may cross some lines to follow him around the Net for the stated purpose of destroying his relationships with others (Washington Post, the TV show, other activist groups).

    I believe I've seen some clear admissions of malice and intent to harm Windsor on your site. I'm not saying they came from you, I just know I have seen it. These writer's have given him solid claims for intentional infliction of emotional distress, tortious interference with business, etc.

    It is fairly easy to stay on the right side of the law and still convey the messages you want to convey about Windsor. But, for some reason, everyone is acting as if there are no laws that will protect Windsor. He does have legal recourse. Whether he will ever go to the incredible trouble of exercising that right, I don't know. But I don't want to find out either. Even if the case is dismissed very early, it will only occur after the defendant invests a lot of time to get it done. What's the point in inviting that? smh

    He's the world's biggest ass, and I love that you are exposing him. I'm just suggesting you don't unnecessarily hand him what he needs for criminal charges or civil claims.

    Regards,
    Susan

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    1. I was going to answer it but it is not addressed to me.

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    2. Elements of a Defamation Lawsuit
      Defamation law changes as you cross state borders, but there are normally some accepted standards that make laws similar no matter where you are. If you think that you have been the victim of some defamatory statement, whether slander or libel, then you will need to file a lawsuit in order to recover. Generally speaking, in order to win your lawsuit, you must show that:

      Someone made a statement;
      that statement was published;
      the statement caused you injury;
      the statement was false; and
      the statement did not fall into a privileged category.
      To get a better grasp of what you will need to do to win your defamation lawsuit, let's look at each element more closely.

      NOW RE-READ: A true statement, no matter how harmful, is not considered defamation. In addition, because of their nature, statements of opinion are not considered false because they are subjective to the speaker.

      http://injury.findlaw.com/torts-and-personal-injuries/defamation-law-the-basics.html

      Go away Susan you bother me

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    3. Susan, I understand your hesitancy on certain issues. I may not agree on all counts, but you seem rational and smart - two things that Windsor and following are not. I think you should stick around. Just know you we don't all agree on all points. But, that is what puts this group above Windsor's - free thinking.

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    4. @ Susan: I get your point and agree that some mischief may appear malicious.

      @ V: Susan isn't discussing slander/libel. Think of it more like interference with some body's activities via the internet. Susan is pointing out that there may be a line between innocent fun and malicious intent that you probably don't want to cross.

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  3. One of my parents is gay. This man is not helping LGBT rights or edcuating others on this subject matter. In fact he is simply continuing on perpertrating the myths and misnomers about homosexuality. Such a bitter old fairy. When you are long gone from this earth and dust the future leaders of LGBT might look upon your three decades of bullshit and realize homosexuals like you were the reason it took so long for acceptance.

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  4. David, this is as good a time to come out as any. Aside from you Ginger does have at least one gay reader, me. I found this blog while I was following Joey Dauben's trial on your site. I've probably read hundreds of pages here and found out more than I ever found thru any news media. Everybody in my world knows I'm gay. I generally don't even have to tell people. I have lots of friends that are really conservative, vote Republican, go to Baptist churches, and probably don't support gay rights. They still support me. They still like me. Nobody tries to tell me that I am a bad person or that I should change. I live my life openly, but I also don't shove my views or lifestyle in front of people that are uncomfortable with it. That doesn't mean that I don't talk about my partner or take them to company Christmas parties or hide in anyway. I find if I let people get to know me, they get over their "issues." And they are their issues, not mine. Much of what I read from you makes me think you have "issues" and you don't give people enough credit that they deserve. Perhaps people would like you better if you checked your baggage at the door. Just my two cents. I don't see any "gay bashing" around here. Just David Webb annoying guy bashing.

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  5. WAY! TO! GO! JACK!!!!

    Terrific balance. And, I must say your approach is the exact same one I use to manage gender bias.

    ((((hugs))))

    Glad you are here and I hope you stay.....

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  6. OK, Petunia: you got to sit next to Brannon and....I forgot who else.... So, can I sit next to Jack????

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  7. Welcome Just Jack, and thanks for the outing. He made Will and Grace what it was, which was funny as hell.

    Yeah, for me personally I can't speak for the gay community so I wont even try. And clearly David's words piss me off. But I would suspect the most damage he is doing is to the gay community. He seems to fit all those negative stereotypes that us "straights" were taught growing up. I don't think he represents the gay community as a whole in any way shape or form so its not like he going to cause me to change my opinions which I have formed through education and experience. But still, his input can't be helpful for the gay agenda.

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  8. NothingBetterToDoToday you are welcome to sit beside me. Just be warned it's gonna be on my new mid-century modern loveseat. Sorry just had to throw that in there.

    Thanks Ginger. I'm not thaaaat gay, but I loved the character, and a lot of people do call me Just Jack because I tend to make fun of myself lots.

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  9. you know before it was Will and Grace it was a show called Ned and Stacy, same chic with Thomas Haden Church playing the guy (no gay angle to it). I loved that show and then when they cancled it and revamped it to Will and grace it took me a while to warm up to it (cuz I loved the previous version) but Just Jack brought me over. He was so funny.

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  10. @ Jack: LOL - no worries - it's the brains and laughing lots I'm after, don't much care what's underneath.....

    But, what color is the loveseat?

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  11. Gray tweed with round orange throw pillows.

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  12. I heart Just Jack. Can we be besties?

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  13. NBTDT, I like to spread the friendship thing.... We can rotate seating occasionally... But Brannon is mine! Forever. Regardless who he sits by.... I like his wicked Wiccan side:)

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  14. Ok, Snappers, I gotta hypothetical for y'all. Ready?
    IF we don't follow PieLiar around the web & out his lies?
    We don't forewarn reputable sites & orgs about his Lying Pie?
    We no longer pick apart the inner workings of scams & frauds & psychos?
    We quit the vids?
    Kill the screenshots?

    Is Susan (well meaning as she seems to be...) gonna keep us entertained? & how?

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    1. I think Susan would prefer Billy is able to latch onto more victims and we stop exposing. Some here are far more brash than others (not naming names lol) but it really does come from a good place with the best of intentions.

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    2. Yeah, see I've been wondering the same thing. Why do people want to shut down Bill's FB page? Joey's in jail, the lightening sisters are boring, Webb is off sulking, who would we laugh at if Bill is gone? I every new post and video as an opportunity. And good Lord, even Bill laughs clubhouse videos.

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    3. Off topic, sorry - was scanning what I missed today and forgot where I saw Stop the Silence has been "included under the Lawless America umbrella". I was just thinking, they almost deserve to figure out Bill the hard way if they aren't reading stuff the Lemmings write. This is just plain....how does Gingersnap say it....stoooooopid.

      These comments are posted under Bill's TV show audition video. Looks like Julia, once again, posted/deleted - comments appear to be a response to something she said. Sound like Joey pedo conspiracy theory to me....

      Judith Pecho I do not get it. Why say that? I do know that judges are pedophiles. Look up Gary Little, Superior Court Judge King County, WA. He was a pedophile and ready to speak out about the pedophile ring, and he was murdered in the court house.
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      Judith Pecho Also look up OK Boys Ranch, in Olympia, a state home for "wayward boys" groomed for conventioneers at Bill Clinton's Convention in Seattle. It finally got exposed, and the current Governor, was A.G. at the time and she prevented an investigation and had the records trucked out of the state. The man who was hired to move the records and thereby knew where they were was murdered

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    4. first of all, thank you Petunia for moving this discussion over here. I can't deal with 200 plus comments plus I know Webby would appreciate the attention.

      I think Susan is well intentioned and has probably seen Billy boy up close and she honestly fears him. I also don't think she understands the randomness and unaffiliated actions that are going on against Lawless. She see Slanderfella, AMPP and a few others and links them back to me, which if you thought this was all coordinated by one person I could see her point (stalking and harassing at the least)

      When I first started covering Billy, I was very cautious with my wording. I think huckster was about as far as I would go. But now that I know him pretty well, I am more than comfortable going after him the way I do. I know some people have the exact opposite (because obviously he would sue a mosquito for biting him) but I just don't fear him.

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    5. @ yappy: I think there is only one poster here who's intentions are more malicious than well-meaning or fun. That's sort of the barometer for me. As long as malicious isn't prosecuted or sued, "brash" has nothing to worry about.

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    6. Oh my, let me be perfectly clear about two things.

      I have no fear at all about William M. Windsor coming after ME. I would love him to do it.

      The only thing I've linked to GS is that I thought these two sites were run by the same people. I thought several of your were acting as admins on each site. In any case, the only person I knew that is credited with ownership of either page, was GS, so that's why I sent the private message to GS.

      You have all missed the point of what I was trying to say. But that was to be expected. People don't know they don't know. ::shrugs shoulders::

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  15. :-O Petunia! You be cheating on me? *faints*

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  16. @ Jack: Gray tweed with orange throws sounds lovely, I'm in.

    @ Petunia: thanks for sharing........

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  17. Yaps! I didn't know you were here! Nooooooooo! I don't cheat....I asked Just Jack to be my bestie... Not my B*F*F*~ get up! We're still on. Like pb&j on wheat~

    Obviously, I'm still free & unserved. >kicks rock< No pretty orange jumpsuit for me today, PieLiar! I didn't get any official papers either. I did get a2-fer coupon for a wax at the new salon.... Be ready for a new do on me in a day or two, I'm not letting that little deal slip away!

    ***Waves**** TIARA firmly on! (I really wanted to be Ginger's accomplice & get a Jane Doe thingie again)

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  18. Did I hear clubhouse video? I know I am reaching but could that even remotely be a hint that there is another one coming soon? If so I think I can donate a swing for the clubhouse, one that two will fit on, so you can be cozy when you want too. It is also easier to push someone off, which is handy for when Webby comes over.

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    1. LOL. I saw some comments that led me to believe there might be a project the works. I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope.

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  19. We cool Petunia, PB&J... :) <3

    Welcome Just Jack. I guess since you've read here a lot, no real introductions are required. Just the same, thanks for your well rounded post. I love what you wrote and how you approached this.

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  20. Petunia, if you have to wear an orange jumpsuit, make sure you get to keep it. You could become another accessory for the sofa. The pillows are prison jumpsuit orange. I had extra fabric lying around from all the suits.

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  21. oh and on the new Lawless facebook page, the main difference I have seen is that they changed it from "public" to "cause"

    I have no idea what that will actually entail, but I do see that

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  22. Oh, girls. (And that includes you, Jack.) Don't think I'm off sulking. I'm monitoring what you are saying. I just haven't had time to say anything because I'm frying a chicken as we speak. Even old vampire bloggers like me have to eat. I slept a bit late today because after Yappy reminded me I drove Walter to shoot himself in the head I had to take a sleeping pill. You see, the doctors at the hospital said that Walter, whom I'd known and been involved with since I was 19, said that he was suffering from a late-life onset of paranoid schizophrenia that usually shows up when people are about 19 or 20. For whatever reason, Walter's showed up at the age of 55 and then again at 59 when his 16-year-old Jack Terrier, Skipper, died. Still, I always felt like there was something I failed to do to save Walter. I must have been too busy writing columns that enrage people enough to make them a feature of a blog post. Thank you, Ginger Snap. When you quit writing about me, I will start worrying. Then I really will be ready for assisted living care or maybe I could check out totally. Would that make you happy, Yappy? You could say you drove me to suicide. That's an interesting end to the story. But it's not likely. I'll see all of you go to hell first.

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    1. here is the thing David, I don't care about your history, I don't care about what your social status is, I don't even care about your sexual preference but you beat us over the head with it, none of that matters to me at all.

      My problem is the words you put out there. What you say. The specific words you chose, the ones you don't chose and the way you write it. And, as you can see, its not just me, no one is coming to your defense to vouch for what you are saying. Plenty of people have stories far far farrr more horrific than yours but yet their good character bleeds through in all that they write. You put your heart and your soul into what and how you write, and I don't like what I see.

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    3. Was that jab necessary David? I said I read your columns. Do you need a cookie? We all have issues David. I didn't personally attack you. I just read one too many of your columns that put me over the edge. I have met a lot of men like you. Within the gay community you are comfortable, but the second you step out, you walk around either justifying yourself, preaching, over analyzing, or judging and prejudging people before they even have time to form an opinion. What you create is a self fulfilling prophecy. You treat others as if they already dislike you and every aspect of your sexuality and lifestyle. From experience, if you don't make it the sole issue, neither will other people. Where you lead, people will follow.

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    4. I have as many straight friends as I do gay ones. Some of them I've known since I was in my teen years. I circulate very easily in all sorts of crowds. I don't have problems making friends. In fact, I circulate more in a straight crowd than I do a gay one. You are trying to judge me based on this crazy blog. You know absolutely nothing about me.

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    5. "You are trying to judge me based on this crazy blog. You know absolutely nothing about me."

      Ummmm, what are you doing to me?

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    6. @ Jack: yep, what you said " What you create is a self fulfilling prophecy".

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    7. No David. Sadly I am not just judging you in this blog. As I said, I came to your blog first. I was interested in a particular story you were covering that I thought everybody else dropped. I have 2 friends that currently work for D Magazine or its publications. One friend that is freelance but did work for D and has since worked for Pegasus and others, I don't keep up as well as I should. And yet another friend who works for the Observer. When I started seeing a trend in your tone, I asked around. People do have opinions. Not all glowing like you seem to think.

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    8. Yes, D Magazine and Dallas Observer did drop coverage of Joey Dauben. They were really embarrassed by the fact that there was a huge dot.com lawsuit involving Dauben that they totally missed when they wrote stories about him. It made them look like fools. There is still an issue regarding Dauben involving a First Amendment issue that is on appeal out of Ellis County. One of the editors of the aforementioned publications told me that he was uninterested in the story because Dauben was a "nobody" and the sex charge was statuary in nature so he didn't find it interesting. I am more interested in individual rights than that editor.

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    9. Just because you think it is a first amendment issue, doesn't mean it is one. The Ellis County case wasn't anout protected free speech. Joey posted somebody's personal identifying information online with malice. And included a fair amount of libel. There isn't anything protected there. And Dauben can't claim any kind if journalistic immunity because he wasn't one, nor did he have the standards or ethics.

      D was right to drop it. I am from Ellis County, so I had an interest. The original pieces on Joey covered in Dallas because they were so unbelievable and covered years of activity. But 99% of the Dallas population has no clue who he is, and covering bit by bit of these cases would have been a waste of ink in that market.

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    10. @ Jack: again, way to go. Great job. You are absolutely dead on. Hopefully another voice will get through to Webb. This was NEVER a first amendment issue. As regards individual rights, it was Joey that did all the violating - of others.

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  23. You are a worthless piece of trash and you exist for no other reason than to cause people pain. I hope it doesn't shock you too much, but I don't like the hatred in your heart through your words. You have caused Joey Dauben's family immeasurable pain. They weren't responsible for what he did or didn't do. Yet you decided to let the public know about all of their private business that in no way was relevant to the legal charges against Joey Dauben. You are a fraud and a freak.

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    1. Now see, there you go. I want to defend you, I like you on several levels. Then you go left - you leave us nothing to work with.

      What you said makes no sense. Joey caused the Joey Dauben's family the pain. They are responsible to a large degree. How can you say that victims dad was negligent but not hold David Dauben to the same standard?

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    2. A fraud? Someone who is a fraud isn't who they are propertied to be. Yes I'm not an actual gingersnap cookie somehow typing away at a keyboard but beyond that where have I laid out to being something that I am not?

      And I'm not going to get back into Joey bashing because, frankly I'm still stunned by the sentence he received. But I will jump on this statement: "You have caused Joey Dauben's family immeasurable pain."

      Ummmm what about Joey Dauben himself? Most of his life is going to be wasted behind bars and the ENTIRE county read all about it. I had nothing to do with any of that, so what about the immeasurable pain Joey has caused his parents?

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    3. And, why blame Gingersnap? Contrary to Daubenista belief, there is more than one person posting here. It's been while, so you may have forgotten, this blog started out with nothing but people with a "joey done me wrong story". What about all the people Joey hurt? The Daubens put themselves in path of ridicule and judgement - instead of acknowledging the pain Joey caused and offer an apology, what did they do? They publicly defended him and assisted him in spreading more filth and pain while he was on bond.

      You are pissing on the wrong tree when attack Gingersnap.

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  24. You are a lying asshole. You tortured him and his family for months with your reports, and then bashed me for presenting his side of the story. I presented both sides of the story. You are the one who continually bashed the Dauben family and did everything you could to prevent me from letting them have a voice. Everyone, no matter what they are accused of doing, is entitled to let their voice be heard. Joey's parents accept the pain he has caused them. They didn't need you adding to it you vile creature.

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    1. "I presented both sides of the story"

      "prevent me from letting them have a voice"

      first of all I don't remember ever stopping you or anyone else from saying whatever they wanted. And second, you just contradicted yourself. Which is it, did you write for both sides or to let them (the Daubens) have a voice?

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    2. Everyone, no matter what they are accused of doing, is entitled to let their voice be heard.

      REALLY DAVID? Thank you. ALL OF US on this blog is included in that "EVERYONE" list of yours.

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  25. @NBTDT: David Dauben and his wife Cherie never allowed alcohol to be brought into their house. They did everything they could to raise Joey and his sisters to be responsible citizens. Obviously, something went wrong, but they didn't deserve the vilification they have received from the author of this blog and its followers.

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    1. They put themselves in that position. Nobody would have challenged, ridiculed or judged them in any way if they had not attempted to defend in the indefensible. Their actions enabled Joey to hurt countless people that were much more innocent than the Daubens.

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    2. I'm nowhere near stupid and what do you know about parenting? But, no I don't think parents can control their adult children. They can continue to parent a child if it's fixing to fall a cliff and they sure as hell don't have to help them get to the edge. The Daubens should have been quiet, they chose to be public in excusing, defending and rationalizing what Joey did.

      How stupid are you? Did you believe all that crap about Joey was a victim of government conspiracies?

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    3. Do you think children miraculously become different people from how their parents raised them when they turn 18? And yeah, when Joey was living at his parents house out on bond, I would have expected there were rules he had to follow. If your child is living in your house rent-free, I think you can set some expectations for that privilege. Especially when the kid is out on bond for felony charges. If that isn't an invitation to make a change and start trying to guide your child into productive adulthood, I don't know what is.

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    4. NBTDT is right. I don't think parenting ever ends. You are alway free to give your child guidance. They don't have to take it, but if you are offering major assistance like food, roof, bed...I think you can most definitely attach strings. Otherwise, you are just offering a crutch.

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    5. Thanks, O. You are dead on " I don't think parenting ever ends.

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    6. You sure seem to have strong feelings for his parents. I find it strange that you have such feelings when you had only met Joey a few times over lunch and talked to him about his reporting style. Which is it? Dauben caused the pain for his parents. Maybe if they would have been proactive in trying to get him to change his "style", they wouldn't be in this situation. What does DDauben do? Sticks his head in the sand, and forges ahead with his "everything is a conspiracy" viewpoint in life while his son faces 30 years in prison.
      Maybe you should have your own blog so you can stop hijacking this one. Daveyisacrabbyoldman.blogspot.com is my submission.

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  26. my blog is read in state prison? And the person that kept talking about raping Joey is Jay Hoskins and I have gone after him many times before (Brannon) can attest to that so don't pin that on me.

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  27. Yes, hell. That's exactly where you belong.

    Like you stating I'm lying about my childhood where I was viciously raped by a step father. I'm sure you need far more than a sleeping pill to sleep at night Webby. How YOU can live with yourself is beyond me. You are revolting.

    At least I OWN every piece of my personality. When I took such a low blow to you, I allowed my emotions to get the best of me BECAUSE OF YOUR SICK ATTACK on me.

    I lowered myself down to your level in that hell hole and there was NOT ONE PIECE OF ME that felt good knowing that tiny rumor would cause you such pain.

    BUT YOU? YOU have proven how much you ENJOY inflicting pain and hate and attacks and that is mortifying how happy you get with your little games. It's terrifying. I would most definitely fear hell if I were you, whatever 'hell' means to you in the afterworld.

    You can kiss my Royal Canadian Ass :D Nothing would please me more than to never see the likes of you again. Don't hold your breathe while waiting in hell for me, I live a very rich full balanced healthy happy life.

    I OWN every piece of my personality, the good, the bad, the ugly. I live with FULL personal accountability, integrity and morals and flaws and imperfections and my husband and I INSTILL that in our children on a daily basis. All the above is the true measure of a great man &/or woman.

    It's unfortunate you are unable to say the same. I've never seen you apologize for the vicious pain you purposely inflict and continue to inflict. Not once. All you do is react as the eternal victim you've made yourself out to be.

    It's always been OK when YOU come on here and attack and do it to others but getting shots back, well in your world, its completely undeserved because you are perfect & infalliable.

    YOU are full of hate and rage and it's all misdirected anger.

    Like Billy said, you've spent 'months' investigating us. WHY? Hummm

    What you're really doing is using Ginger as a means (emotional diversion) to rid yourself of your inner demons. If you could EXPOSE Ginger's identity, you would be Joey and Billy's hero. Your life would have meaning. People would love you again.

    If you rid the world of "Gingersnap" and expose her, then with all the new found love and hailing the great David Webb all flowing your way, you could forget for awhile what haunts you the most. But what you don't realize is how much you show to the world the deep seeded self-hatred and self-loathing you have. Only you can answer WHY you hate yourself so much.

    That's the only reason you are after this clubhouse. To be someone's hero.

    It gives you a reason to breathe.

    You're like a pathetic little puppy who pee'd on the carpet and we keep booting you outside. But we all know you sit right at the door scratching and begging to be let back in. YOU FEED off all the attention. After all, NEGATIVE attention on you is better than none at all..

    IF this clubhouse and those within it didn't matter one bit in your life… you wouldn't have wasted so much time going to courthouses to look up our supposed identities from the John does 1-10 NOR would you have bothered to travel to the elderly lady who is not Ginger's mama, nor communicating with bottom feeding criminals nor attacking rape victims every chance you get.

    Admit or deny, it doesn't really matter either way. WHOM you choose to love between the sheets mean nothing to me and never has. I don't believe I've ever disliked anyone in my life to the level I dislike you the person -.

    Go look in the mirror and take your hell with you.. "your kind" of personality is not welcome. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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  28. I didn't contradict myself. I let both the prosecution and the Daubens have a voice. When did you ever allow the Daubens to have a voice? Never.

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    1. First of all, Joey Dauben didn't need a voice in fact the main reason for my blog in the first place is that the world had too much of is voice. For years and years he was allowed to roam free slandering whomever he wanted with no recourse. I gave an outlet for his victims to speak their side.

      Second, I never pretended to play reporter. I always made it crystal clear that im just a blogger. Therefore I can cover whatever the hell I want. You and Joey could never get your head around the Journalist/blogger concept, and still can't.

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    2. Being a blogger does not give you a license to write whatever the fuck you want. You are still subject to the all of the same state laws that I, as a professional journalist, am. People on this blog frequently cross the line. You are constantly criticizing me for what I write (which by the way is usually bullshit statements on your part) while you attack people mercilessly.

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    3. Did I say "write whatever I wanted"? no, I said "cover" whatever I wanted. There is a big difference and someone who spent their life in journalism should be able to know the difference

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    4. Well, you should. But you obviously don't.

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    5. Webb - you owe Gingersnap a lot of quarters. There really is no point in using a potty mouth. It dilutes your message.
      And, the Daubens DID have a voice - on blogs and FB. One thing should have learn about us by now, if you lie or say something stupid in public we will bust you - they did, so we did.

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    6. The Daubens live in a free country where a world of blogs are hosted. They are MORE than fully capable of starting their own blog and stating whatever they choose AND can moderate &/or turn off the comment sections.

      Joey is the REAL victim and the poor virginal teen that was proven to be raped should have walked away from the bathroom. YUPPERS. The David Webb standards in life.

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    7. I didn't realize Gingernsap was court ordered to allow the Daubens to have a voice on her own blog.

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    8. @ Anon: Cheri Dauben did come on this blog. To DEFEND and EXCUSE Joey. When we challenged her, she went away. David posted on other blogs, the same crap - only worse, he pushed the conspiracy theory. Neither parent forced their son to accept responsibility for his behavior.

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    9. Notice how Webb either name calls or curses in pretty much every post; for somebody that made a living using words, he really does resort to the most rudimentary and unscholarly retorts.

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    10. Nobody has been all that hard on Cheri. Yes we've wondered how she let Joey and David be the way they are. And I have wondered how the daughter of an English teacher thinks it is a petal stool. And we all thought Joey should have been doing something productive and offsetting the final strain on his parents. However, Cheri seems to be a pretty level headed person. Nobody attacked her. We have been trying to get to the bottom oh how Joey became what he is. That didn't happen over night. I have read his high school writings. There were plenty of instances of what sounded like missed opportunities for guidance and structure. If somebody writes about Ted Bundy are they going to glaze over his childhood just because Ted didn't grow up alone in a bubnle devoid of influence from people around him? Is that not part of the story??

      Sorry no paragraphs. Don't care. Too annoyed. Guess I am not gonna be some big fancy journalist who can't get his ideas across without name calling and foul language.

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  29. so if I'm critical of your articles, or some of them, that's the same thing as trying to "silence" you?

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  30. And Yappy, glad to hear you own all of your personality. Trust me, the biggest part of it is ugly. Almost every word that comes out of your mouth is vile and negative.

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  31. Pie Man Zombie hunterFebruary 11, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    ok I just Banned the Pie Man from my group

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  32. Criticism is fair. You lie and distort what I've written.

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  33. You're the one that has the obsession about young virginal teens and alcohol, not me. If the shoe fits? I call it as I see it, it's called an opinion and I will say it forever.

    The thought of young teens around you when you're drinking and they're unsupervised mortifies me to the core. Your own words caused me to form an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

    PS, never claimed I was a good writer, still won't never will, don't care. LOL its the MESSAGE that matters, not grammatical structure.

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  34. Yeah, that's way not fair. Nobody here supported those comments. I recall that few people called that guy out on what he said.

    And, don't you remember? Their was a poster here around the time of the sentencing that was adamant rapes don't happen in prison.

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  35. Yah I too have been adamant wanting JUSTICE against Joey and his crimes and for him alone to be held responsible. I would never ever wish him to be raped, tortured nor murdered. I fear he won't survive prison but that is HIS cross to bear.

    This blog? No prisoner has access to the internet. the only way any words on this blog would get to prison is if you wrote all your child raping friends and supplied them with it.

    MAN you sure do know how to spin that shit of yours. What a joke. LMFAO what a joke.

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  36. There you again,claiming that I have an interest in teenagers. I do not.The only obsession I have is in public safety, and you are trying to make it into something else. Again, you are proving yourself to be a pig.

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  37. Claiming? YUP because of YOUR words, I made an opinion and I am standing by that opinion. Sorry if you hate it, not my problem it's YOUR problem and issues.

    Love how you can call us names but we can't say anything to you cuz your wittle fewwing would gettted hurted. ROFL omg you are SO proving my large paragraphs above.

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  38. I do not have an interest in teenagers. Period. Again, that is a libelous statement and the worst kind of stigma to try to attach to someone's reputation. You obviously know no shame based on what you said to me last night.

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  39. See? Negative attention is better than none. We should stop feeding the troll. Webby gets an actual high off of all of this.

    He's so high and mighty and perfect but obsesses about all of us each and every day so he can IGNORE that self-loathing and inner demons. Even if he has to scrape the bottom of that barrel like attaching himself to scammers like Windsor, he'll take what he can get as long as someone appreciates his efforts.

    I presume your home environment was much like this? You had to 'win at all costs' and could never walk away from any argument even when you were completely wrong. the forever infallible David Webb.

    WHY the obsession over all of us, especially Ginger... David? It boggles my mind. If you hate her and the rest of us so much, what's the point?

    Really don't care for you to answer, it's more thinking aloud and reasoning it all out.

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  40. Concete examples if lies, distortion, and gossip?

    Oh and where is the link to the Huffington Post story about Perry since your gossip post included practically no details and all salacious fluff?

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  41. Not libelous. Its an opinion based on your articles and endless comments here. I AM entitled to an opinion. Keep tossing around your libelous bullcrap.

    Let's have another legal session. IN ORDER FOR YOU TO PROVE libel, you would have to show the courts MY direct opinions caused you real harm in your real world, especially economically.

    I'm sorry but hey, there's so many of your vile and hate-filled comments including raging attacks on me and my character as well, I think the JUDGE would call it even and send us all home.


    You have NO shame NOR do you care the PAIN YOU inflicted on me. You started it and I allowed myself to get sucked down to your level. I apologized and took ownership very quickly. YOU? YOU LOVED attacking me and it showed with every key stroke. YOU STILL enjoy doing it with all your piggish name calling to me. WOW

    DUH shocked there's no personal accountability coming from this guy. LOL

    LOL oh my lord you are so deranged.

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  42. Well, Yappy: I have no inner demons, nor am I self-loathing. I have never had any involvement with Bill Windsor, except for someone from his organization calling to ask me if Brannon was likely to try to assassinate Windsor. I told them no and I also told them they were wrong if they thought Joey Dauben was directing Ginger Snap and sending Brannon to get Windsor in D.C.

    My home life was quite simple. I was raised as an only child. It was a very ordinary life in a comfortable home. There really weren't many arguments.

    I'm not obsessed with you nuts. I just want you to quit telling lies about me. Is that so much to ask?

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    1. I feel like I'm in an email exchange with Billy. "quit lying about me blah blah slander slander slander, libel....so on"

      Be extremely specific. What did I, not someone else, say about you that is a lie and show my how its absolutely a lie and I will gladly retract it

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    2. It has been repeatedly suggested that I am someone who would be a danger of sexually molesting a minor. Most of that comes from Yappy. That is an absolute lie.

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    3. nuh uh, no good Davey, I said be specific about what I said that was a lie. Not what implications other may have from what I said but what I said that was a direct lie

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    4. you are not getting off the hook on this one. You say over and over, that the reason you keep lurking on this blog is to make sure I stop lying about you. You made the charge so now I'm asking you to give me the specifics

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    5. Yeah, and hurry about it, we don't want wait all night for it.


      It's taking too long, he ain't got nothing.

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    6. I am entitled to form an opinion. You really should own all your words there Webster. I'm entitled to have a voice whether you approve of the message or not. AND I AM allowed to fear for children that could be around you when you are this raging drunk... based on my opinions, right or wrong. No matter how much you pout about it, won't change my opinion one bit.

      Here's a little secret creepy man.

      If you would stop brining it up, I would stop ensuring you how much I stand by my opinion of you. Get it? lol

      Yah he has zero obsession over Ginger & her blog. So transparent.

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    7. ahhhh, he isn't good with specifics, so I will give him all night to see what he comes up with and if all he can get is "you said I caused your old blog to get taken down" well then I rest my case.

      So we will see what he can come up with by morning. I'm out, night clubhouse

      Ohhh and yippee I'm still free, we can celebrate tomorrow.

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    8. Wait, do you hear that?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yugl18XkL2w

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    9. Yappy: You are yet again accusing me of something that is untrue. A "raging drunk?" How crazy are you? I realize that you probably don't have a pot to piss in, but why would you risk making such inflammatory statements against someone? What kind of household were you raised in? Must have been a barn.

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  43. And when in the fuck did you apologize to me after telling me that I had driven my longtime lover to commit suicide? You had hinted at that several times before you actually said it. I never dreamed that anyone would actually say something like that to me. I asked if you were really raped because I have begun to thing that everyone on this blog is some sort of fraud.

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  44. yappy apologized within minutes of realizing the pain she might have caused you. Go back and look.

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  45. You jumped me immediately because you are a bully, and you thought I was too timid to fight back. Wrong, bitch.

    Exactly!! Right back atcha hehehehehe.

    YOU ACTUALLY DID start it with me. I never came to you ever. YOU came onto Gingers wordpress blog and thought my "so gay" comment was about you. YOU made that YOUR issue. IF you would have listened to 1 thing I said, i was IMITATING WHAT Presley and Connie ALWAYS SAY. Ginger had up a fake convo between Joey and his girlfriend presley, I was the first to reply to her how 'gay' that was.

    IT was a joke. A JOKE dude or is it dudette? Presley and Connie would say 'so gay' with so many things, it was a shot at how they act, not me. ROFL man you are incredibly dumb or ignorant or both.

    So again, yes you DID start it with me. I was the one that stood up to you. "BITCH"

    I'm not lying about you. I HAVE an opinion of you. BIG difference ya big baby.

    You took issues with MY right to freedom of speech and you attacked me and continue to do so and then accuse me of stalking and libeling you. Again with the name calling.

    See David makes excuses for why he said I lied about being raped as a child. I never dreamed anyone would accuse me of lying except for my stepfather. YOU basically continue to RAPE ME over and over again with the name calling and your behavior to me. YOU MUST FEEL fantastic about yourself.

    ROFLMFAO omg you are just so so sad.

    waaa waaa waaa david is libeling me and calling me names. Sniff sniff sniff

    ROFL

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  46. Well, Ginger Snap: Here is one recent lie noted at the bottom. I wasn't called to court because I was a "mouthpiece of Joey Dauben." I was subpoenaed to testify about an article that was written in order to determine if a gag order should be ordered to prevent both the defense and the prosecution from talking about the case. I wasn't the one being considered for being "gagged" as your stupid e-mail to me asked. It was to determine if the participants in the case should be gagged. The judge decided against a gag order. That was a lie by you and it impugned by professional character. I explained all of that to you in the e-mail you sent me long before you wrote the lie below. There are many more instances of your lies that I can find, but I'm not going to worry with it tonight. If it gets to the point that I have to pursue this further, it will not be to give you the opportunity to retract it.



    "David Webb had already been called to the court for being Joey's mouthpiece while in jail, so Judge Lagomarismo knew the connection."

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    1. Duh David. The gag order isn't for the media it is for the people directly involved in the trial who might be talking to the media. And you were called because of the piece you wrote on Joey with obvious imput from Joey. You are arguing semantics. I think your articles were very skewed to one side. Your attempt to make the story balanced seemed just an after thought. You thought Joey's rights were being trampled on. You can't wrap your head around the use of law that though unusually applied, fits the crime.

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    2. NothingbettertodotodayFebruary 12, 2013 at 1:14 AM

      @ OReader: ditto - semantics.

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    3. Ok, at least we are finally trying (still not quite) to stick to specifics. First of all way to throw poor Brandy under the bus for absolutely no reason whatsoever, other than you are mistaken which has been the case on just about everything you have said on here.

      Now, the mouthpiece reference. You do realize you are glossing over, not only a large swath of time, but also quite a bit of details you left out that would make my cause a little more plausible?

      Lets flash back, Joey was initially arrested, everyone covered his arrest and then nothing. Only the Daily Sun covered Joey's actual court appearances but nothing more, than that. You decided to start conversing with Joey and YOU decided to run with those stories about Joey not getting his court appointed attorney. You even let Joey elaborate about his conspiracies behind it. Turns out the reason he didn't get one is he never signed the form, but you never seem to care about that fact, you just wanted to run the "Joey is getting screwed" angle".

      Then, and notice I said "then" and thats a key word here...the prosecution files for the gag order and YOU and only YOU are ordered to attend the hearing. At this point in time, YOU were also the only media outlet that was covering the Joey situation outside of actual court dates.

      You are correct, the actual order didn't read "Shut that David Webb Up". The prosecution was filing to get everyone gagged on the case. Thats no skin off their back since they weren't talking to anyone but YOU were in your "Joey is getting screwed stories". So I put two and two together and called it 4, and yes its just my opinion, but based on the real facts of the situation a reasonable person could come to that conclusion. So nice try, but I did not "lie" in my opinionated statement of you acting as Joey's mouthpiece. And again, no that was not an underhanded gay relationship jab.

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    4. I would normally say that I'm dumbfounded that someone would take Joey's mouthpiece the way you did, but after hearing from you as much as we have now, yeah in your case it doesn't surprise me at all that you would take offense to it.

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  47. Duh, OReader: I assume you are Barstool Brandy that they were talking about in court the day after your unfortunate appearance of the witness stand. The gag order hearing, and I was there, was directed at the defense and the prosecution, not me. I can write what I want, but the prosecution was asking for the judge to ban both the defense and the prosecution team from commenting to the media.

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    1. Wow. You can't read. You just explained the very thing I was saying was common sense and didn't need to be explained a second time.

      Hey folks. They weren't gonna gag the "press!" They were discussed gagging the parties and their legal reps. Are we clear now? I know everybody was sooo confused.

      And you can insult Brandy all you want. She is a big girl who can defend herself. But I am not she, and she is not I.

      You know how I said you didn't read anything that yiu couldn't make about yourself? Well if you did, you would know that I have almost nothing in common with Brandy. Not views on viable jobs, food, education, tin foil hats, microwaves, attractive husbands . . . The list goes on. I would say since you are a journalist you'd be able to tell the different writing styles, but I know you wouldn't.

      But when you implied that I was Brandy before (while you were so stealthy in anon mode), I told you the same. You are as dumb as the Daubens. Because I have an interest in this case, I must be one of the handful of players that you know. Keep up those skills. Great potential as an investigative reporter.

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    2. The writing styles on this blog are not worth noting.

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    3. When Ginger Snap wrote to me in an email when I first learned his name at least for that purpose was Justin Thompson he said that he understood that I was being gagged. That's the reason I was laying it all out for everyone. I don't think there is a real high level of intelligence flowing on this blog.

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    4. Writing styles are like composers styles, bands harmonies, or even people you hear speaking in day to day life. People recognize voices. The voices don't have to be on air quality. Same for writing style. Everybody has a voice. Impossible to miss.






      Regarding intelligence? You are a person who though Joey had great potential. Kid has a 120 IQ at best.

      I don't know what Ginger said in the email to you. So what if Ginger isn't familiar with court precedings and media. Most of us try to stay out of court.

      No matter what Ginger asked, what was written does NOT spell out or even imply any wrong doing by you. You are reading something that IS NOT THERE. Yes, Ginger alleges you are biased in the mouthpiece comment. Matter of opinion. And arguments can be made that support Ginger's opinion. But the fact of the matter is you were called in because of your coverage of Joey. They didn't just pull a DFW reporter's bame from a hat.

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    5. Before you slam me for typos, I am on my phone because I didn't want to load the laptop or desktop up so late in the evening. There have been several errors, but they are hard to see and fix in the text box for blogger.

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    6. Ginger explained the Justin Thompson creation came very long ago because of the baseball player by the same name born in San Antonio. Excellent journalistic skills David.

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  48. In case your wondering where the comment Barstool Brandy came from, the defense attorney told the court that you looked like you belonged in a bar on a stool rather than in a court room. You did look kind of disheveled, come to think of it.

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    1. Oreader is not Brandy guaranteed. That comment proves your lack of brain activity.

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  49. Actually yappy never spoke about it until you dropped that bomb on us. I have never seen any indication that yappy has any kind of victim mentality. Just the opposite. She preaches getting back up and on with life and self accountability. But you don't bither reading anything that you can't make about you. No fun in that.


    And didn't you go to MSU? (On an extennnnnded program) You probably should drop the high and mighty act.

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  50. So you obviously didn't get it did you BB, the lie by GS was that I was hauled into court for being Joey Dauben's mouthpiece when the proceedings actually involved the possible muzzling of the defense and prosecution. Are you sitting on a barstool now?

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    1. Still semantics. Just like I explained earlier.

      Ugh. Ugh. You Webby. You wrote story. Story about Joey.

      They discuss gag order for people on trial.

      They call only reporter reporting case.

      If you not report on Joey would you still get called?

      No.

      Being Joey's mouth piece. Semantics. Matter of opinion.

      But you only are there because of JoJo story. No story. No there.

      No words written about gag the Webby. You read words not there.

      Ugh. Uhh.

      OReader not Brandy. Webby simple mind.

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    2. And since you are so fucking smart, perhaps you realize that they were also seeking information about whether a change of venue might also be necessary. The judge chose to reject either a gag order or a change of venue.

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    3. YOU were already covering Dauben and had written multiple stories on him. Hense they called YOU regarding how much the press was potentially going to be interested in the story.

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    4. I was not accused of being a mouthpiece of Joey Dauben. It is common practice for a reporter, who generally is considered to be a reputable source, to be called to testify in change of venue and gag order hearings. I've testified in numerous cases over the years for the same purpose. I was not called because I was considered someone's "mouthpiece." That was a disparaging remark about me.

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    5. It is semantics. Ginger and many others think that your reporting is less than balanced. Hence, mouthpiece. I think that you believe you were balanced because you went through the motions of adding what some of the criticism of Dauben had been through the years. Or by describing the allegations. I don't think you went far enough. You find Joey interesting. He is. Your thought he had potential. I guess. I think average intelligence can pretty much do anything well with desire and training. You have a personal interest in probably both charges. One, you consider a free speech issue. The other was initially a vendetta and then a cautionary tale of adults drinking with minors. You told the stories more from Joey's perspective. Which, again, he is interesting. You also hold interests in common. Ok, I am done. My point is, not matter what details you included, you have a bias, and you didn't do enough to offset it. Things that in your head are Joey facts are actually Joey propaganda to the other side. You just don't see that because what you think are givens aren't.

      So there is why I think the mouth piece comment can be argued. Obviously mouthpiece is a trigger word for you and means something much deeper. But just because it means that to you doesn't mean everybody reads that magnitude into it. It isn't defaming. It isn't libel. He didn't say the judge called you in for wrong doing. He doesn't even imply that.

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    6. By both charges, I mean both sets, or both trials/counties.

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    7. The "mouthpiece" remark wasn't lost on me you homophobic slug. And who or what are you anonymous person to be an expert on media law? What a creep.

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    8. And yes, you mentioned the change of venue consideration way back when. We know what you discussed with them. Basically you were a representative of the press discussing the public interest in the trial. Obviously public interest drives media. Media and high profile parties potentially taint jury pool. Again, we get it. You may think I am dumb, but I am far from it. I have NO ties to Ellis County, the Daubens, or any subjects of his articles. I read a profile of him a few years back, and I found all of it to be fascinating case studies in human nature.

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    9. At what point did I say I was an expert in media law? Yes, I have close friends in the media. I have close friends as attorneys. I have close friends in the media that have been fringe parties to lawsuits that they easily won. We do talk. My friends are educated, and probably are from an area not too far removed from where you probably lived in Dallas.

      I was going to commend you for dropping the attack and having a civilised conversation, but that appears to have been premature.

      Sorry, but I had took no innuendos from the term mouthpiece until you chose just now to point it out.



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    10. Why exactly am I a creep? Why must you always resort to name calling? And why does my name have to be associated with my comments in order for my thoughts and points to be valid? I am not a troll. I always post under this name. I give my real thoughts and background no different than I would if I were talking to you face to face. Sorry I don't want some giant web footprint out there. I am a private person. I maintain that by giving myself a name. I don't deny anybody else that privilege. I do get annoyed by anybody that comes and doesn't just pick a single name to associate with. In my opinion, people that assume all anonymous people are trolls are the very people that woul d be trolls. And the times you yourself have posted under anon to stir things up has done nothing to change that opinion.

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    11. I am sorry. Tiny phone. No contacts. I missed the homophobic slug part. Explain to me what I have said that indicates that I am homophobic? Is that just one of your other go to defenses? Here I was actually trying to give you a different perspective in an adult manner, and again you bring up the gay thing. Why the Hell am I supposed to care if you are gay? Because you assume I am straight, you also assume that I am homophobic. You certainly are making lots of assumptions tonight.

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    12. Homophobic slug? That's not disparaging, libelous or attacking character in the least.

      You don't know any of us on here Webby but still feel like you're on some self-built high pedestal above us? Ha! Unfortunately for you, we and all the readers can see the hellish pit you bathe in.

      Your posts are incredible insights into how sick your warped thinking is.

      Balanced? Not mouthpiece? Bull flipping sh*t. Not once have I seen you place the raped teen in a HIGHER light than the sick child rapist you clearly love dearly, Joey G Dauben.

      Davide cannot help himself Oreader. He must make himself a victim and not the evil self-loathing man he truly is.

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    13. Webb, last night I was absolutely shocked that you decided to call me a homophobic slug and a creep for NO REASON. I really think you owe me an apology. You made an assumption that I was saying something or implying something that I ABSOLUTELY WAS NOT. I've now reread my comments and understand that they were directed at me because I used the word mouthpiece and deeply in the same sentence. Seriously David? I was trying to have an honest and straight forward conversation with you. Yes, when you tried to explain things to me that were obvious and already in you initial statement, I pushed back. You could have read my first comments and understood that I get what you were called into court to discuss. No, it doesn't take a judicial or media expert to understand how the media and potentially high profile court cases can have an impact on the jury pool. When you once again asserted that I am Brandy, I pushed back. I am not Brandy. You have absolutely no reason to think that. I'm pretty sure Brannon, who knows Brandy, will tell you I am not she. Even so, I continued the conversation with you. I didn't expect you to see my perspective that Ginger's words weren't as "damaging" as you claim. I did hope and was beginning to think that you were seeing that it isn't necessary to curse at or personally attack somebody for having a differing opinion. But no, just as I thought that, you proved that apparently you can't. You are the one that made the perverse connection in my words.

      I was actually trying to acknowledge that perhaps the word mouthpiece had stronger connotations to you than the average reader. The word is somewhat dated. It isn't really used so much. If I want to put myself in your shoes as a journalist, it's a hard pill to swallow. Oh my God, don't try to read something into those words. I mean them exactly as the saying is generally meant. It probably is supremely insulting to be called such a thing. Basically it is saying that you are writing solely for somebody else's agenda. I think you are looking at it like some writer that is controlled by a politician, corporation, or even organised crime. And I also take it that you think readers will take away that you were somehow in trouble with the court for publishing. And I guess that you also feel it was a jab by Ginger by using that particular word.

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    14. Honestly, it probably was a jab by Ginger to use that word. I took the word at face value and didn't read anything sexual into it. Not when it was written, and not last night. But, I can understand Ginger poking at you. You'd already come on the blog and taken particular issue with Yappy using the word gay. Which, despite what you think, was mocking a term that Presley and Connie had used in the past. Even as a jab, a modern reader doesn't read the term "mouthpiece" as the ultimate slam in journalism. I read it to mean that you were 1. pretty much the only reporter regularly following Dauben, and 2. offering coverage that was more from a Dauben perspective. And, I read nothing in that to imply that YOU were going to be gagged or that YOU had done anything wrong. Yes, I don't think you get how you have been less than balanced in your articles. I tried to explain to you how there are things that you take for granted as being unbiased that throw red flags to people critical of Dauben. It starts with simple things like calling him a journalist or saying he owned newspapers. Like I said, some of those things strike me as Joey self promotion.

      I also said that I thought you took a personal interest in Dauben. Again, that wasn't meant as a slam. It also wasn't meant to have anything to do with being gay. Joey is interesting. Joey wanted to be a reporter. You are a reporter. You saw the Ellis County case as a 1st amendment issue. It would make sense that you as a journalist value 1st amendment rights. The second case was originally bill by Joey as some kind of a vendetta against him. Well again, isn't that interesting? Yes. And I think it's fair to say, you wanted Joey to be honest. You hoped that he could learn some tough lessons and go on to fulfill the potential that you saw. So yeah, I'm sure you tried to offer both sides of the story, but I personally read support for Dauben behind even your very first articles. Nobody had to point that out for me. And, if you can't entertain that concept for even a moment, you are choosing to be blind to it. David, this isn't an attack. I haven't attacked you. You have called me names and made blind assumptions about me that are simply not true.

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    15. for the record, not that you will believe me or anything....when I said Joey's mouthpiece I really meant it in the technical sense as you were the voice for Joey while he was in jail. There was no hidden homophobic slur referencing you and joey somehow sexually connected. I know thats a connection you are beyond desperate to try and make, in fact, as you admit it was the reason you came on this blog to start a fight in the first place.

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    16. Well gang, Webb made Just Jack's point perfectly re: his take on "mouthpiece". It's official everybody here, except Webb, took that sentence at face value.

      As regards homophobia, I think it's pretty safe to say nobody in the club house has a fear of anything.

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    17. Well good, I stand corrected. I certainly never took mouthpiece to have any underlying meaning. But, I was beginning to think that I was the naive one. I'm glad to know that I wasn't the only one that didn't make the dirty connection.

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    18. WOW I took the week off to mourn a friend and fallen Hero and I MISSED THIS! Mr. Webb what I did not miss was that you like President Obama, NEVER ONCE MENTION CHRIS KYLE!
      Want to earn some cred around the clubhouse I might suggest you start there.

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  51. ROFLMAO

    PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS NEEDED IN TEXAS, MONTANA, AND CALIFORNIA.

    Lawless America needs private investigators for three special assignments. If you know a PI in Texas, Montana, or California, please email me at nobodies@att.net with PI as the subject.

    The California PI will investigate the murder of Gregory Johnson, Jr. at the Sigma Chi House at San Jose State University. The task is to speak with fraternity and sorority members who were in the house the night Gregory died. We also need a PI or a debt collector or someone who can get detailed personal information -- an attorney with Lexis Nexis or someone with financial information access.

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    1. FACEBOOK CONVERSION TO "FAN" PAGE IS COMING SLOWLY BUT SURELY.

      Once Meet Me in DC was over, it was the perfect time to convert. We are re-doing all of the photos, posting the Lawless America Road Trip in chronological order with all the photos from each state.

      The Friends and Followers from the old page are SUPPOSED to be moved, but the volunteer doing that has been having trouble as Facebook keeps giving error messages. So, the easiest thing to do is simply click LIKE above, and tell everyone you know to do the same.

      The Lawless America State Pages have now been linked to this page. To access the list and the links to the state pages, simply click here, and then click "More Info" under the general information section of the About page -- https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lawless-America/195697210566617?sk=info

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    2. Error messages because the people don't exist and can't click back or have been flagged or he'd have to fork out more money...or oh, it is a lie and you can't move people so this is going to be his excuse for purging the low quality fake following he bought.

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    3. He may be having trouble with the followers conversion because as Oreader suggest, so many are really cheap fakes. I remember when Connie changed over to a fan page, she lost some of her followers too.

      It would serve him right if he loses large chunks of his follower.

      I want to know how he plans on paying for these PIs that he is asking for. LMAO- cos you know that aint free, so Billy boy is hoping he has a lemmings out there- in 3 states. ROFL- and he wants an attorney(aren't they all the devil's spawn according to Bill Windsor et al?) with lexis nexus or a debt collector(aren't debt collectors already working on Bill's bills from court?) to help him out in his hissy fits.

      I guess his on staff researcher Liz couldn't find what he wanted, and Allie had no luck getting contacts over here either. No pie for them.

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    4. where did he post the private investigators wanted thing?

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    5. It's on his older smaller lawless america page

      http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200729676070836&set=a.1865609366531.2111583.1429920220&type=1&theater

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  52. Is your whole life defined by the fact that you were molested as a child?

    Naw it's the exact opposite Davy. I've made it very clear I refuse to let it define me and I think one of the most revolting things about you is you truly live in this permanent victim mentality.

    If I lived like you, it's doubtful I'd have such a healthy balanced marriage, life, well-rounded children their mother is immensely proud of them. THAT part of my life wasn't even shared with my children until a year ago. They were floored and shocked because their mom is such an easy going normal mama. Their words.

    BUT after that, off they went. We told them if they had any questions they were free to bring it up. None of my kids have ever come back to me about it because it is a NON issue. It was something that happened long ago.

    Bad things happen to us all. Its how we chose to rise above it and move on with life shows our strength and where our focus is. Allowing negative terrible events to FORM our world (like you do mr endless victim) only gives everyone else around you power over your life.

    Nice try but most readers here that have read pieces of stuff like that from me, realize my message is consistent :)

    You pushing back only made me go wacko once when i lowered myself to YOUR level and said what I said. Otherwise I stand up to you at every turn. IF men stand up to you, they're strong and aggressive, respected but if a woman does you LOVE to demean them by calling them pigs, barn yard animals and bitches etc.

    Yah pieces of your character GLOW Through all your posts. HA! So easy to see how much you hate your life and everything your about. But you won't get any pity or sorrow from me. YOu alone are responsible for all you choose to say and do.

    Your true colours are shining through David. Good bye

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  53. Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

    Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

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  54. @ Everybody: I want to apologize.

    As recently as last night, in a private conversation, I was trying to defend Webb. It was beyond the scope of my comprehension that somebody as intelligent as Webb could possibly blame Joey's victim in he Navarro case.

    Maybe I just didn't want to believe it, I wanted Webb to be better than that. I chose to think of the debate based on what Gingersnap has said, it's Webb's choice of words that causes disagreement.

    After reading the re-hash of Joey's Ellis County issues, it is clear that Webb really thinks Joey was falsely prosecuted. If Webb can't see how Joey violated the law and the rights of many others in that case, I am forced to face the fact that Webb truly believes the dad, the alcohol,the kid and everything but Joey was at fault for landing Joey behind bars for 30 years.

    I am sorry. I regret that I Iooked for ways to salvage respect for Webb and his statements.

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    1. Don't apologize, you are your own person. In fact we all are. We all see things through our own prism and we come to our conclusions at different points in time. There is nothing would hate more than if all the clubhouse members had to walk lock step in line with what their leader claims. This is a democracy, and its how it should be.

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    2. Me too, exactly what you said NBTDT^.

      Oh well.......

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    3. I agree with Ginger. We all come from different perspectives and our judgements are based on our own life experiences :) No need to apologize.

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    4. in fact, this site isn't very lemming friendly. You are expected to check your dog leash at the door, and turn your mind on before entering.

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  55. David, are you really that upset that you failed to figure out who Ginger is? And you couldn't get anyone to call you on the phone?

    Please David, find something better to do than be angry over the opinions of others.

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  56. Your graciousness, tolerance and acceptance are very much appreciated. This is why I look forward to discussing issues with you all.

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    1. Add level of intelligence and critical thinking to my list, please.......

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    2. I'm here for the giggle snorts & beer & my Tiara

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    3. OMG! my list is going to get longer......how could I have forgotten the giggle snorts? A very important part of life.

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  57. It's the people who post here regularly that drew me in, and I appreciate you all so very much.

    It's hard when we try so hard to talk to someone who clearly does not want to listen like David.
    I can see him for who he is based on his own writings, and my take on his perspective. It doesn't mean I know him, or even that I am right. But I have my own opinion.

    David Webb you are an angry, lonely and sad person. The things you have posted here in the last couple of days are very telling, and what they tell me really has dropped my estimation of you. And yes, I already know because you have told me directly before you don't care what I think.

    It's okay. But you really should try reading your comments objectively today. See how badly you come across. If you weren't drinking last night, you should have been.

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  58. OK Who all is up for a meet and greet when I go to Texas on the 5th of March? I am bringing Mikes hard lemon aid, a no name vodka and beer. (The beer will be purchased in Texas as I only drink Shiner.)
    Even Brannon is welcome to come by and have a round or two.

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    1. And just to make sure Mr. Webb is not left out He can come too.

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