Wow, that's all I can say. Joey, against his attorney's wishes, takes the stand and almost immediately goes into the "Powers that be in Ellis County orchestrated this" conspiracy. The Dauben delusion and rage comes out as he has to be stopped by the Judge's gavel mid-sentence as he lashes out at everything he can think of. This would include Joey saying he thinks the father of the boy set him up for some reason, even though he really didn't even know Joey. Joey then says this set up was payback for his Kevin's House story, even though no logical person can see any connection.
Then Joey goes into a Connie IBedellesque rant about how the boy falsely accused him. Joey said he only had a swig of the wild turkey and did go out on the boat but only because the boy wanted to so badly. Joey said halfway out in the boat he decided to think "hey this doesn't look right, what am I doing out here" and then paddled back to shore and went to bed (notice he didn't say anything about the shower room).
So now here comes, OMG I just can't take the irony here, his former co-editor of the Ellis County Press, Brandy Owen herself. Brandy was forced to appear, but once she did her testimony was devastating to Joey. Brandy said:
"Owen said Dauben spoke to her about the allegations in late 2011, and that he told her he went out on the lake with the teenager and that they went to the restroom before going to their respective tents. Although she initially supported Dauben, Owens said she had doubts about the veracity of his explanation. "It just didn't sound right," she said."
Ooops, did everyone notice what Joey left out in his testimony that he did admit to Brandy? Yes that's right, he forgot to mention his little excursion to the restroom with the boy. I can just see Joey's attorney's face and palm meeting at this point.
David Webb mentions that Joey rejected 4 different plea's including 10 years probation (no prison time) but registered sex offender. I think at this point just about no one can feel sorry for this impudent monster as he chose his fate, all the way to the ugly end. Tommorow, his freedom will end as the jury will have their chance to tell Joey what they think of him.
@ Webb: great report. I don't get the sense that you've left any important details out. And, you've answered a lot of the questions we've had.
ReplyDeleteJoey is toast. Big mistake to a) take the stand and b) play the conspiracy "card".
ReplyDeleteWe already knew he was a liar. Too late to start a pool for sentencing. Should we start a pool on how long it takes Presley to see the light?
Wow.
When did Joey's 'reporting' start on Kevin's house? When was Kevin's house shut down?
ReplyDeleteBecause if those dates do NOT precede this camping bible trip, Joey can't ever connect the dots. This young man told someone the NEXT day. I'll be that was verified by the young lady who didn't believe him. If this father of the rape victim doesn't even know Joey state he was going to the FBI but never did and ultimately disappeared, where is the conspiracy?
Are we to believe Ellis County tossed him some big mooulah and he took an extended vacation after NOT EVEN seeking the appropriate authorities to bring these charges? If the father was the co-conspirator, his tracks would be all over this. But it isn't, the victims mama is the one that continually went to different authorities until she finally found Bobo to speak with.
But some big ole judge way in advance (I assume prior to Joeys reporting on Kevins house) went out of his way to track down young teens to plot and take Joey out.
If this was a conspiracy from Joey from day 1, why would he even approach the teens online?
HOW did Joey even know THEY would be the teens accusing him?
Those are only a FEW of the HINKEY METER questions popping into my brain. Lets hope the jury is thinking the same. What a sick pathetic little creature indeed, he deserves prison time after all this smoke and mirrors game.
""I said, 'This does not look right. This is not right. Let's go back to the campsite,'" said Dauben, ..."
DeleteI used to be a camp counselor. Errr there was nothing odd about me and some young teens or kids going out on a canoe NOR did I ever think "wow, this is not right, it does not look right". Why? his GUILT shows through that one sentence
Delete"He sent me a threat to make an accusation -- that he would accuse me of being a child molester," Hernandez said. A joke that he sent the teenager in response to a message he received apparently led to the threatening message, he said. "He called me a weirdo, and he threatened to contact law enforcement.
Does this Hernandez have EVIDENCE of this 'threat'? Or could it be Joey sent him the threat in disguise? Where the hell is the proof to any of this crap? Hernandez is a webmaster after all, bring your prooooof! It doesn't exist. I can see why Ed (counsel) told Joey NOT to testify.
Yappy gunna shuddap now
I know the guy, he wouldn't make up crap like that. I know Hernandez better than Joey...
DeleteHe would not cover for a child molester.... This is freaking insane.
Based on his testimony, and only word of mouth presenting evidence, with no physical proof, I would say toss the charges.
Bruce would NOT and I repeat NOT make up that stuff.
A lot of the Kevin's House stuff Joey did is still on line. There are some videos on youtube, too. Bing that sh*t....
DeleteLol. Bing.
DeleteYappy, the biggest hinkey meter alarm I had in reading that was the joey thought about the canoe trip looking wrong. It was aparentlt ok for the adults to get drunk and pass out, but two boys in a canoe (yes, I think boy fits Joey) looks weird? Why would that supposedly cross his mind? Yeah, I could understand it if we were talking about a young male and female out alone at night (even if they were both in their 20s). But two guys? That seems even less objectionable than the underaged drinking...at least until you know what they were talking about.. ..
Yeah, I agree. Screams guilty thoughts.
DeleteAlso vintage Joey: live in the moment, do the wrong thing but it's OK because he's sorry.
"he now realizes it was wrong to be drinking alcohol with them. He said that he took "full responsibility" for not acting more responsibly in regard to not objecting to underage teenagers drinking alcohol."
Wait, stop the presses...
ReplyDeleteI know Bruce Hernandez. He's a stand up guy. He would NOT make up something like that... Seriously, he would not.
WTF is going on.... Freaking mess.
What the hell is wrong with you Jimmy? I didn't say he's a liar, I said BRING proof. In a court of law, when you state something for the record, you need proof. Furthermore, how do I know that it wasn't Joey trying to fake an email to Hernandez. Sheesh get a grip, take a pill, calm the flip down.
DeleteLook this is going to come down to reasonable doubt.
ReplyDelete1) Kid says Joey did it.
2) Joey says he did not.
3) Kid says Joey brought whiskey
4) Girls say the whiskey was stolen from Kid's dad
5) Joey said he didn't do anything sexual
6) Bruce H, who I know personally would not make up that this kid threatened him with sexual charges.... Bruce would not just go to court and say that crap.
7) No proof.
NONE. No proof. Word of mouth. Joey has a witness to the kid's credibility. Text matters not, anybody can B.S. text.
After this read, and that Bruce H. said that about Joey, I would say there is reasonable doubt.
Sorry, I know that's not what you guys want to hear.... there is reasonable doubt IMHO based on what Bruce said.
Dude, get a grip. Nobody said Hernandez made anything up. Read Webb's report again, more slowly this time. The DA put what he said in the context of events - the kid was reacting to what he thought were sexual advances from Hernandez.
DeleteYesterday you had Joey sentenced to 20 years per count. Today he's innocent because you know a guy???
If the kid was accusing Hernandez of making sexual advances towards him, he's absolutely 100% FULL OF CRAP.
DeleteYes, as of yesterday, without objections, and I only thought Joey was going to take the stand.
The Hernandez thing is entirely different. YES, I know the guy. I don't know if Joey did it, but if he's accusing Hernandez of this, that kid is absolutely full of crap about Hernandez. That throws a lot of the kid's (now adults) credibility in the toilet.
REASONABLE DOUBT IMHO.... Not saying innocent. But Hernandez is a game changer for me.
IMHO, you're taking your "friend's" words as gospel, and that is what has a lot of people walking around with egg on their faces tonight. No one ever TRULY knows someone until the proof comes out in the pudding.
DeleteSorry, Jimmy, but I think you're letting your friendship blur the facts here. Reasonable doubt, my left nut. Joey's going down faster than the Titanic; and as we've all learned this week, he cannot be trusted with a raft.
LMAO - can't be trusted with a raft....
DeleteHow can you SAY THE KID MADE accusations? You're making a LOT of assumptions Jimmy. Wow.
DeleteTHIS CHILD showed all the signs of a child that was raped. YOU ALSO USED TO BELIEVE JOEY entirely too until you started reading AND practically driving the prison bus yesterday.
Calm the hell down. The audacity you have coming on here now saying this child - a rape victim is lying- because YOU know Hernandez?! There's NO evidence at all that proves any teen actually said this about Hernandez either. You really have a few screws loose buddy.
Yappy,
DeleteThe accuser is saying something without factual evidence.
Joey is saying something without factual evidence.
Bruce is saying something without factual evidence.
Accuser says he did it
Joey says he did not but was falsely accused
Bruce says the accuser threated to accuse him and contact law enforcement.
It's all WORD OF MOUTH. NO factual evidence.
So your sitting on the Jury and hear 2 people's words going against each other.
Then a person witnesses to the fact the accuser threatened him with the exact same thing.
You don't think that creates "reasonable doubt" ?
Why call me an ass?
I'm not saying Joey didn't do it. I'm saying Bruce who has no criminal record, testified against the accuser making sexual molestation accusations.
That can very well result in reasonable doubt. Case could get tossed.
yappy you are calling me stuff based on emotion.
I'm not defending Joey.
I'm saying that Bruce wouldn't lie about that. I'm saying this creates reasonable doubt in "word of mouth testimony".
@ yappy - thank you. I wanted to say that but I'm out of quarters.
DeleteI have a ton. I even opened a paypal with Ginger :P. She's gonna be rich before the night is over.!
DeleteIf Joey keeps it up, I may have to go dig around in the couch....
DeleteI'm so frustrated with Jimmy - I meant to say if Jimmy keeps it up...
Delete@NBTDT LMAO Its' ok, I knew who you meant ;) You just made this all the funnier, now I can giggle again. Jimmy found my pissed button but good think my laughter button is 10x's bigger. hehehehehe
DeleteSorry, there is a huge twist on this to me as I've stated guys.
ReplyDeleteBruce Hernandez lives in Cleburne. He is stand up. He would not just make up this stuff. I totally believe it if Bruce said it. I don't know him as a liar, much less a person who would 'cover' for Joey. I know him from some political rallies.... Skinny guy, glasses... he's not a liar.
Also, to say, I'm not saying Joey did NOT do it... I'm just saying Bruce is NOT a liar. If he said that the accuser sent him a message like that, he did. That weighs VERY heavy on the accusers credibility and presents reasonable doubt.
DeleteThere are just those types of people you believe, people who are shady, and others you'd trust your entire life savings to hold. Bruce is one of those people I'd easily trust.
Where does it say he made something up? The article doesn't say anything like that. Close your eyes, breath, count to 20 then read it again.
DeleteDauben is TOAST!
Reasonable doubt? I think you have some Dauben kool-aid still in your fridge. A jury is going to think that this young man would put himself through this for years just because he was pushed into it or that someone had it in for Dauben? Bobo's rebuttal testimony said which version followed what they found and that was the victim. You weren't at the Mayan temple's on Dec. 21st were you?
I didn't know Dauben well enough to be considered his kool-aid drinker. LOL
DeleteI know Hernandez, and if the kid is throwing out threats to make accusations against him, (who did nothing) the kid did it.
You read it - "He sent me a threat to make an accusation -- that he would accuse me of being a child molester," Hernandez said.
If Hernandez said the kid sent him that message, I know the guy - the kid did it. Nothing people here could say could convince me otherwise.
Again, I'm not saying Joey is innocent. I'm saying that the kid threatened Bruce H., to throw an accusation at him.... Bruce would NOT make this up.
That puts this kid's credibility in question IMHO. The lawyer's response was slick, but in my mind there is reasonable doubt SINCE there is NO evidence other than word of mouth and now the kid's credibility is in question.
Your mis-reading it. Of course the defense would try to take shots at the kids credibility. I have a feeling since the Texas Rangers were involved, they probably also talked to your friend. I am also guessing there there are reports that have quite a bit of information.
DeleteDid you read the part where the prosecution asked if the remarks by the victim could be because of fear?
Also why is your friend sending "jokes" to this victim?
Delete@ Anon: thank you. That is my thought too. What kind of joke did this man send to the kid?
DeleteIsn't this Angelique Stacey the one that bailed Jokey out the first time? Apparently she didn't see the conspiracy about Bedwell's dad. I wonder what she sees about her "publisher"?
ReplyDeleteFrom Connie's Facebook:
In case you haven't heard yet my INNOCENT father is being falsely accused and labeled as "Elijah the end time prophet" and they are calling my brother "Moses" in the police report. They are accusing my father of being able to "call fire from heaven." The accusers are literally on drugs... Dear National Media, please expose the truth and apply pressure to these psycho false accusers.
Save Aaliyah www.SaveAaliyah.com - Connie's Dad's soon to be Public Case:
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Connie Bedwell's father, Timothy Bedwell-Tuma has recently been arrested, detained and extradited from California this fall of 2012 on 36 false accusations stemming from one woman named ***** ******* of Fairbanks, Alaska. ***** just recently fabricated th
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Angelique Stacey I didn't hear that...just that he raped some people left Alaska and changed his name. Innocent people don't usually run and change their name JUST SAYING!
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Aaliyah Connie Bedwell-Tuma Thats funny Angelique whoever you are that knows absolutely nothing. Ever heard the phrase assumptions make an ass out of you and me... Don't expect the lying authorities to ever tell you the truth especially when you expose pedophile rings. He has never ever one time changed his name. Nor did he flee the state. Good story time on the magic carpet though Keep working for social services and listening to rumors that make it all the way in New York, it will get you far in life!
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Aaliyah Connie Bedwell-Tuma JUST SAYING
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Aaliyah Connie Bedwell-Tuma Anyone else who wants to run their confused brainwashed mouth feel free
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Even the police report stated he fled and changed his name. He went and bounced around between his 4 kids in California for over a year and ASSumed the name "Tuma' even though its not his legal name. So Angelique never met Joey but ASSumed hes innocent and bails him out now wakes up a tad and thinks well maybe there really are real pedo's in the world? I guess she must have some common sense. Too bad Presley will be filling her in just to whom Stacey is and what she did for her boyfriend.
DeleteOh, Joey...dear, deranged, stupid Joey. He jumped on that stand, blamed everyone but his mama for being against him, and it backfired. Remember when I said that D.A. would lead him down the path? It happened. They can now add perjury to his growing list of charges.
ReplyDeleteJoey Dauben earned what he got today, and I love, love, love that Webb's story has now been picked up on the wire. My friends, we have been vindicated. We are no longer known by the lies, labels, and rumors typed by a madman. We will no longer be subjected to his tyrannic threats of retaliation, and can hold our heads high. We did it, folks. Tomorrow, of course, the jury will have the last laugh, but I am 100% confident he will be backed against a wall by Bubba and JimBob. They will eat him alive, and he will have earned every moment of it. It's over. He's done. Cooked. Goner. Should have faked that seizure and stayed in his cell coloring with his crayon collection. This shit just got real, and he knows it. Tonight, we dance, we rejoice, and we offer virtual high-fives. But the real celebration and bottles of champagne will come when the jury delivers those oh-so-sweet words.
How does it feel to have your life splashed around the Internet for those to see? How does it feel to know people are accusing you of terrible things? Many of us have felt that way for YEARS because of your paranoia, and now it's your turn. Suck it up, honey. You've earned everything you've gotten, and then some. And I, for one, have zero sympathy for you.
How many times did you post crap on AMPP without knowing the facts? You promoted Connie numerous times and even had her on your show. You promoted other's as well not because you knew it was proven but because it was a story where a woman claimed abuse. You might very well promote true stories but you definitely did some of the same crap.
DeleteAnon 9:53, I don't know who you think anonymous 9:42 is but you're way off. Re-read 9:42 post and see they're happy Joey is getting what he deserves. that's all it is. weird.
DeleteI'm cornfused; Anon, are you referring to me, or to my posts about Joey's actions? Because I never promoted anyone that nutjob supported, esp. not Connie, Babs, Brannon, etc. We my have too many Anons going on here, so I'll just start signing my comments again. It's good to be back, folks. This was a long time comin'. And now that it looks like Joey will be in for the long haul, I don't have to worry about him telling people I sell childrens' remains for profit.
Deletewritersblog
for those that don't know who "writersblog" is she is Erica Morse the one that had thought a sponge was skull or some retarded shit like that
Delete10:29 is brannon bridge aka retarded joey loverboy
DeleteYeah, that is my point. "Shit just got real" is a trademark for one of the AMPP twins. They were blasting people constantly without taking the time to think about the proof. They "shoot and ask questions" later just like Dauben did. They aren't facing charges but they are just as bad as exploiting people. I recall that were defending Dauben in the beginning while calling innocent people predators/abusers. Kind of like switching uniforms for the winning team during a blowout.
DeleteBrannon, how stupid do you feel making those videos with the predator while bashing innocent people. Wearing a morph suit might be the best way to avoid bad publicity.
DeleteOh, my bad. "Shit just got real" is also a term used by this midwestern reporter whose had her fill of Joey & Co. Now I see why you thought I was one of the twins, but I can assure you I'm not. Me's just another one of his victims, whose been waiting a long time to see this day come.
DeleteJoey accused me of reporting him to the Ellis Co. DA for violating the restrictions of his parole. That, of course, made me even more dangerous to his paranoid mind, and then that "manifesto" appeared online. I wish I'd been behind that violation; but alas, Joey and his cronies were never important enough for me to track 24/7. I only stop by to celebrate with his other victims, as we cross our fingers that tomorrow is his last day as a free man. Otherwise, I may be boarding a boat to Cuba, b/c if he gets off, that man will be out for blood.
wb
my apologies.
DeleteHoly Crap, stop the presses!!!! Tell them to hold the trial up, we have huge news, Jimmy knows a guy that testified today....well actually he knows two guys that testified but he really knows one of them. Yes that's right, this changes everything, I mean after all he goes to the same redneck rallies that Jimmy does (oh so did Joey).
ReplyDeleteCalm down simple Jimmy. I know for a fact your buddy Bruce is telling the truth, those messages were a part of what Brandy posted immediately after Joey was arrested. But what you don't understand is that the boy made the "threat" as a hypothetical and it was a result of a longer message exchange between the two. What we really need to know is why was Bruce even communicating with the boy? Most likely he was trying to feel him out for Joey to see what he had on Joey. So no, I don't think he was lying but it certainly doesn't change anything. After all, as the mother said, the boy became angry and started lashing out at people most certainly friends of Joey.
But lets now talk about your good buddy Bruce and what his role was in all of this. Did you read that, he was the, yes THE, webmaster for the ellis county press. Oh and he is a weirdo, that was how Brandy characterized him. But back to the webmaster thing, this means he provided the engine Joey used to slander, attack, liable and defame hundreds if not thousands of individuals all across this nation. Your "weirdo" friend Bruce wasn't lying, but he has plenty of blood on his hands.
(clapping)
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Bruce has no reason to lie. I am saying the threat the kid made to Bruce shows the kid was making accusations like this to people.
DeleteThe fact is this could very well cause "reasonable doubt" to exist in the Jury's mind.
Brandy calls somebody a "weirdo"... ... okie ... that's credible. Because weirdo's certainly have no rights, no stature, or credibility... Especially felony free weirdos.
I think this will cause reasonable doubt.
Dunno if Dauben did it or not... But in the case of 2 people's words against each other with NO proof - with 1 witness slapping the credibility of one the accuser a bit - Reasonable doubt.
Get mad all you want that I know Bruce, but he's not a liar nor would he cover for a child molester.
*clapping and lmao*
Deletemore clapping, lmao rofl , jimmy is a weirdo jimmy doesn't want others to think he hangs with weirdos
DeleteSo this accused child molester had a witness who said "He threatened to make an accusation and accuse me of being a child molester"...
ReplyDeleteI believe that presents some reasonable doubt. Sorry most people would not cover for a child molester. If this kid has threatened accusation on somebody who was not present, then the kid has credibility issues.
All that is in this trial is word of mouth. Period.
2 people's words against each other.
1 person had a HUGE testimony against the kid's credibility.
No proof. No witnesses. "Keys stuck on the keyboard" and "shower waiting" are weird.
But the defense I bet will play "reasonable doubt" through Bruce's testimony. They'll ask for proof. They'll say "Are you prepared to lock up a man with absolutely no proof, except for his testimony, and by witness has made threats of accusations of this nature in the past".
I think it's gonna get tossed.
Sorry, I may be biased, because there is no way Bruce H. would make up "a kid threatened to make an accusation of me being a child molester".
No, that ain't big. It's a non-issue. Except for what Gingersnap and Anon have said. It was a smoke screen, just like saying everybody else in Ellis County set Joey up.
DeleteAnd,I'm offended by this statement: with NO proof".
DeleteWhat kind of proof do you think is needed? Is there a physical injury every time you have sex?
Do you watch football? If the ball crosses the goal line, it's a touch down. Right? Same goes with sexual assault - if one person's body part "breaks the plain" of another, it's rape.
Nothing,
DeleteSo you are on a Jury, not knowing any of the people.
Accuser - "Joey molested me"
Joey - "I absolutely did not molest him"
Bruce - "Accuser threatened to make an allegation of molestation against me and call the cops".
All word of mouth. No proof anywhere.
You don't think this creates reasonable doubt in the mind of the Jury? The accuser didn't have ANY witnesses to molestation. Joey had a witness who said "this guy threatened to make false allegations of molestation against me".
I think the dislike for Joey here blinds people. Look, I'm not in "Joey's tribe" or whatever. But I'm just saying I absolutely believe Bruce. I'm also saying I do not know if Joey did it or not. I'm just saying this very well could get the case tossed.
Unless of course there is other evidence?
Jimmy, did you notice what officer Bobo does for a living? Did you notice that he fully investigated both sides of the story? Did you notice who he said was lying? That's kind of a big deal, even if you are to stupid to realize it.
DeleteFrom Webbs Blog: "Finally, the prosecution recalled Texas Ranger Jason Bobo to the stand, and he was asked if on major points known only to law enforcement and the parties involved in the alleged assault which version of events in his investigation most closely matched, Owens' or Dauben's? The Texas Ranger said Owens matched more closely."
DeleteFor all we know he could have only interviewed the accuser...
I don't believe Joey would have allowed cops to interview him...
Nothing,
DeleteProof like:
Semen
Anal tearing
Evidence
Witnesses to the event
There was NO PROOF
Only word of mouth.
There are 3 people directly involved in this.
1. Accuser
2. Joey - present with accuser
3. Bruce - threatened with molestation by the accuser
4. Brandy is "he said that...."
5. Officer "well I think Brandy's sounds more right".
Accuser's word against Joey's.
Bruce's testimony slapping the accuser's credibility some.
This is what is called "reasonable doubt".
The defense is going to use this.
@ Jimmy: I was on a jury, I didn't know any of the players, for a man accused of assaulting a little girl. The accusation and charges came several years after the event. There was no physical evidence, no injury to the child. It was completely a he said, she said thing. Just like Joey, he took the stand because he thought he could reason and excuse his way out of what he did. He is currently serving 2 life sentences in TDC.
DeleteWhat's funny is, there was a guy on the jury just like you. He needed proof that didn't exist. After being locked up with him for way too many hours, I went left on his a** and forced him to LOOK at and weigh the evidence presented. After he got past HIS agenda, he voted with the rest of the jury.
Now, put down the kool aid and re-read Webb's post very slowly, with a completely open mind.
Uh, hes a Ranger. I think he hit a home run. I see 20-30 in Joey's future!
Delete@ Jimmy - as regards your 10:33 post, that is the most disrespectful, idiotic, ignorant thing any body could say to or about any victim or potential victim of a sexual assault. You think the boy wasn't raped because his rectum wasn't ripped out?
DeleteI have nothing else to say to you on this subject.
Nothing,
DeleteThat's very different from this. Not fair to compare.
Let's say that "little girl" was a teen.
The man said it's "absolutely 100% false" in passion.
A witness to the girl's credibility comes forward and says "This girl has threatened to accuse me of being a molester and go to the cops".
Way different.
I'm not saying he did it or not, I'm saying in this case, THAT testimony alone CAN present REASONABLE DOUBT.
I concur
DeleteJimmy you are absolutely RIGHT! Don't let these haters convince you otherwise and you do not have to justify your opinion.
DeleteOne of them here claimed to have been "raped" after months of having an affair with someone witnessed by many. When it became obvious that she was a mental patient and did damage to his property which he reported to police, she then cried "rape" in retaliation but admitted to authorities that she had been trading sex for legal fees and she was threatened with prostitution charges. She then hooked her hopes and dreams on Joey, who gave her the boot. Now it is her life's dream to see Joey in jail as well as anyone else who exposed her. She did far more damage to innocent people online than Joey ever did including falsely claiming that Joey and Brandy called for her to commit suicide, which they never did. But she doesn't face any appropriate charges because her daddy is a police chief!
Now dear old Ginger states: "After all, as the mother said, the boy became angry and started lashing out at people most certainly friends of Joey." Which supports an earlier statement that it is "not uncommon for abused children to make false allegations against others" to cover up their shame/guilt, etc. But did you notice this person was attacked too because their opinion did not fit the agenda here of pure vile hatered?
I sure hope Joey's attorney got a subpoena for all this kid's email and phone activity to see if he made any other idle threats.
And don't forget this group also ignored the other teens at this camp who stated the Wild Turkey did not come from Joey, the "victim" took it from his drunk dad who now is "missing", pretty convenient.
It appears the real crime here was a camp for teens that allowed them to drink alcohol.
And before I get attacked, which I am sure I will, I have no dog in this fight. Just an observer and it horrifies me that any of the people here could ever serve on a jury because they sure as hell don't listen to the evidence, they had their mind made up about a matter they knew nothing about, did not witness and certainly decided guilt without anything but malace in their hearts. Yet they attack Joey for doing the very same thing they do daily!
Just remember that a jury decision is an opinion only, it does not change facts and only two people know if anything inappropriate actually happened. I agree with Jimmy, there absolutely IS "reasonable doubt".
yes you will be attacked, but because you are wrong, not because of what you believe....lets start shall we?
Delete"One of them here claimed to have been "raped" after months of having an affair with someone witnessed by many."
That person does not post here or have anything to do with this blog....PERIOD. You can keep saying this to yourself but it doesn't make it true.
Now dear old Ginger states: "After all, as the mother said, the boy became angry and started lashing out at people most certainly friends of Joey." Which supports an earlier statement that it is "not uncommon for abused children to make false allegations against others" to cover up their shame/guilt, etc. But did you notice this person was attacked too because their opinion did not fit the agenda here of pure vile hatered?"
Either way is possible. An abused boy may make false allegations and he might make correct allegations, just like a boy who wasn't abused. The point is its something of note but it doesnt prove anything either way.
"And don't forget this group also ignored the other teens at this camp who stated the Wild Turkey did not come from Joey, the "victim" took it from his drunk dad who now is "missing", pretty convenient."
Wrong again, I covered this in my blog. I pointed out that there was conflicting testimony as to where the Wild Turkey came from.
Maybe I'm horrified that someone like you could be on a jury. See we can all play that game. Oh and by the way, none of us would have served on this jury because we do know so much about Joey, so you can remove your horror.
"Just remember that a jury decision is an opinion only"
Ahhh, so we get a little preview of the Daubenista mantra for the day. Its just an opinion. Its just a conviction. Its just a registered sex offender list. Thanks for the preview.
@Anon 8:11am -
DeleteNot going to attack, but do have a couple observations to make about the people you're calling "haters".
Claimed to have been "raped"? Ugh. That sentence makes me ill. Why do rape victims continuously have to provide DNA evidence in order for it to be considered a legit claim? This isn't CSI, where the show is wrapped up in 60 minutes; and many abuse victims are too humiliated to grab a semen sample after the act is completed in order to "prove" what just happened.
2) The "haters." Many of the people here are also Joey's victims, but in other ways. Honestly, how would you feel to have your life torn apart on the world wide web for no other reason than some man who desperately needed mental help chose not to seek it. Please...tell me; because unless you've walked a mile in any of his victims' shoes, I ask that you reserve that opinion until you thoroughly investigate Dauben's reign of terror.
3) Timing is everything; and this group, once again, did it the right way. Ninety-nine percent of the comments came AFTER the daily court update(s); which means opinions WERE reserved until the facts were made public. That means people held their tongues, even though they pretty much knew what was coming down the pike. How did we know? Because we know Joey, and we know the man is pure evil.
4) None of us would have qualified for that jury because we, too, are his victims. Now, put me in a jury box for someone totally unrelated to my life, and you'll get a fair juror every time. But the people congregating here have become friendly out of commonality, and that is a fact. When you find like people -- ones who understand what it feels like to be a victim of Joey Dauben -- it's actually pretty reassuring. Some are finally able to let go of enough fear to step up and say, "I, too, was a target"; and here, it's a safe haven.
Fortunately, our legal system is clear-cut; if the jury renders a "not guilty" verdict, JD will walk free, minus his restrictions from the other felony case. If they find him "guilty," the court will recognize that as FACT, not OPINION, and he will live out his best years in a 10x10 cell, and will have to register as an RSO.
Let me ask you one thing: have you ever slept with a gun next to your pillow because of Joey Dauben? I have. That's not paranoia, my friend; that is fallout from being one of Dauben's targets. His reign of terror reaches far beyond a keyboard, as Joey is well-spoken enough to engage other lunatics in his warped fight for justice.
You are not being attacked in this response; but I am asking you to see this objectively; something none of us were asked to do, as the D.A. knew better than to add any of us to the jury pool.
Way to go Gingersnap and Anon @ 9:59! Well done.
DeleteJimmy, if you can stop screaming like a 12 year old girl at a Justin Bieber concert that you "know" Bruce Hernandez, you might be able to follow the much bigger revelation today. Joey lied. And it has nothing to do with your mancrush on Bruce.
ReplyDeleteJoey testified today that after he got back to the raft he went straight to bed in the pastor's tent aka no bathroom trip. But, he confided to Brandy way back when this first started that he did go to the bathroom WITH the boy after getting off the boat. That is where the jury is going to be focusing, not your buddy Bruce and the hypothetical threat.
Mancrush?
DeleteBe respectful. I just know him for not being a liar.
So Brandy heard Joey say "he went to the bathroom".
Brandy did not say "I saw Joey molest him".
Joey says "I did not molest him, and the accuser falsely accused me"
Bruce says "He threatened to make an accusation against me for child molestation and go to the cops".
ALL word of mouth.
NO evidence.
I think it's going to get tossed for reasonable doubt.
I'm not saying Joey didn't do it.
I'm saying I think it's gonna get tossed. Who knows.
My God, if you say Bruce one more time I have no other choice but to think you are gay lovers. Yes, we get it, you love Bruce, Bruce is the epitome of a great guy, on and on and on.
DeleteNow, we can discus the non-bruce related parts such as you saing:
So Brandy heard Joey say "he went to the bathroom".
Brandy did not say "I saw Joey molest him".
Not quite, Brandy said that Joey told her that he went to the bathroom WITH the boy. Joey left all of that out in his testimony today, again, that's a very big deal.
Ginger are you sure Jimmy isn't hernandez? flipadoodledoodoodoggiepile
DeleteGinger, what I am saying is there are 12 people on a Jury.
DeleteThe Defense is going to play "reasonable doubt".
They are going to use to use --- uhm --- "my not gay lovers" testimony in closing statements. They are going to say "it creates reasonable doubt". They are going to say there is no evidence but testimony, and the accuser has threatened false allegations against somebody else.
Brandy's testimony hurts Joey, but it's not directly the accuser threatening to make a false accusation.
All I am saying is I would not be surprised if this thing gets tossed.
Jimmy, we all understood completely what you were saying the first time, then the second, third, forth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eight, ninth and now tenth time (you get the picture). I don't know if you stutter in real life, but you sure do online.
DeleteGinger Obviously people do not. Whoever 'we' are. As if you are sitting next to them.
DeleteThere is reasonable doubt all over this. But Brandy and Mr. Ranger is so slam dunk...
We'll just have to see.
Corsicana Daily article:
ReplyDeletehttp://corsicanadailysun.com/local/x1633449515/Dauben-alleges-conspiracy-in-trial
"Dauben told the jury Thursday, during one of more than a dozen outbursts that earned him at least one ringing bang of the gavel "
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Dauben identified himself a publisher and investigative reporter for the Ellis County Observer who one day wants to run for president of the United States"
Sounds like our Joey!
" the colleague also said he’d been accused by the same boy of the same kind of act."
Deletereally? Name the colleague, produce the colleague, I want to HEAR this colleague. Otherwise it's just Joey's butt speaking more lies.
Wow,if you ever admit to a lie without meaning to, here it is! In reference to the shower email to the boy:
"“I did not mean for him to perceive it that way,” Dauben said."
He DID NOT MEAN for him to perceive it that way? Meaning Joey KNEW how the boy would take the reference? If there's nothing that happened, HOW else would the boy take it. BOOM Joey with his own mouth admits it.
HEHEHEHE Brandy. You made Joey have an outburst!! Wish I was there to see that.
Brandy Owen, former Managing Editor of the Ellis County Observer, one of Dauben’s online newspapers, said Dauben told her that after drinking with the alleged victim and going out on the boat, that the two did go up to the bathroom area before going to the campsite, leading to another outburst by Dauben.
President of the United States? smh
DeleteYeah, that was the best part in that article, Joey could hear the prison door slamming shut with that little tidbit. I know Jimmy is still stuck on his mancrush, but even Joey knew its lights out when Brandy made that point and then Bobo gets up there to back her up.
DeleteWebb did a much better job of explaining how Hernandez' testimony fit into the scheme of things.
DeleteFrom Wikipedia:
ReplyDeleteBeyond reasonable doubt is the standard of evidence required to validate a criminal conviction in most adversarial legal systems.[citation needed]
Generally the prosecution bears the burden of proof and is required to prove their version of events to this standard. This means that the proposition being presented by the prosecution must be proven to the extent that there could be no "reasonable doubt" in the mind of a "reasonable person" that the defendant is guilty. There can still be a doubt, but only to the extent that it would not affect a reasonable person's belief regarding whether or not the defendant is guilty. "The shadow of a doubt" is sometimes used interchangeably with reasonable doubt, but this extends beyond the latter, to the extent that it may be considered an impossible standard. Reasonable doubt is therefore used.
--- I think the Defense is going to use this. Who knows...
screw your wiki Jimmy.
DeleteNot my wiki, not my mancrush.
DeleteI think these smears go have gone far enough.
Sorry guys, you know good and well the defense is going to use "reasonable doubt" in closing statements.
If I was a juror without knowing any of the parties involved, I would see reasonable doubt.
Even the cops testimony can simply be based on the accusers story... I could not imagine Joey talking to cops.
No witnesses.
No evidence.
Testimony butting heads.
person testifies the accuser threatened him with the same thing...
Reasonable doubt.
If Joey did it, he deserves jail... Our legal system has a standard of reasonable doubt though.
This is about law. I know he's pissed off many... But law is law. I see "reasonable doubt" on this one.... Good for everybody here, I'm not on the Jury.
Jimmy, very slowly now...he lied. He either lied to brandy or he lied today, its that simple
DeleteJimmy watches lots of TV programs. Reasonable doubt is a term defense uses. Jimmy is smart isn't Jimmy. Jimmy thinks he's on the jury right now. Jimmy's going to find out the jury will view the entire picture, understand the conspiracy story doesn't mix, the teen was raped and he was credible. Jimmy will understand eventually there is evidence, just not how Jimmy see's it happen in 60 minutes on CSI. WIll someone tuck Jimmy in please, its way past his bed time.
DeleteI like Jimmy's shoes, where can you get some? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apa0nG1OfUc
LOL, I was thinking the same thing
DeleteGinger, even more slowly - The accuser had a credible person state the accuser threatened him with the same stuff. With two conflicting testimonies and NO evidence - I would call that reasonable doubt.
DeleteJimmy, even more slowly now NO ONE IS DISPUTING THAT YOUR MANCRUSH BRUCE IS TELLING THE TRUTH. The boy never denied messaging Bruce. But you don't know the context of that message.
DeleteNow back to the main point, JOEY LIED TODAY, that's why he had the outburst when Brandy said what she said. He lied, that will tell the jury all they need to know, the incredible Bruce is irrelevant at this point.
@Jimmy there was also a hard copy of a piece of paper that showed the accusation from Koby against Bruce Hernandez, and Bruce had also said that the kid had added him as a friend after this "alleged event"
Delete-Brannon
FUCK YOU for naming a raped teenager. Go to hell Brannon, you are a worthless pile of shit.
DeleteShit is worth something. It can be used for fertilizer, such as helping gardens to grow. Brannon must be below shit. He has some nerve naming a rape victim but I guess his allegiance to Joey is 100%. He would rather attack a victim than admit maybe he's friends with a sick pedophile.
DeleteEver heard of an ass whoopin Brannon? Your buddy Joey is likely gonna get one and a lot more when he gets into some hard time. Every night when he lays that head of his on his bed, I want him to remember and remember. And think how he ended up being the one behind bars. And if he should manage to sleep, tell your buddy to sleep with one eye open. Inmates dont like child molesters.
DeleteJoey, if any of your posse is reading this.... I will be enjoying being free while you are not. Prison is for criminals....er. child molesters. You proved which one you were.
Which way does Joey Go? Kills himself rather than face incarceration, hang himself or kill himself instead of incarceration, go mental in prison to be stuck in solitary, or live the rest of his life in a prison gang (as the bitch, of course).
Then lil Joey becomes a man. He gets all the anal action he can take.
Im sure he will be remembering old cops, lawyers and judges.. He will come looking when he gets out. Mark my word.
Deleteand with those threats in hand screenshot, he'll be put right back IN. This fucker lost, he's about to do hard time. He needs to put on his big boy pants and let go of his past because BUbba is about to teach him about his present.
DeleteThank GAWD Jimmy isn't on that jury. Aside from not being able to take his eyes off Bruce, he would keep that group stuck in deliberations longer than the 15 to life Joey's facing.
ReplyDeleteAh, the thought of Brandy up there on the stand, precociously trying "not" to put her ol' buddy, ol' pal away for life...and then...BAM!...the betrayal of her words. That courtroom is lucky that "What" is all they heard; if he'd had keyboard access at that moment, the manifesto would have grown by a chapter.
Can ya feel the excitement? We may be hours away from Joey's freedom going "zap." The waiting is killing me.
wb
I guess it is a bit stupid to be arguing with somebody called, Ginger, yappy, nothing, and anonymous...
ReplyDeleteGinger has been running blogs for a long time now, with nothing better to do than dissect the life of the man Ginger calls "a little kid".
Ah well, we'll just have to see how it turns out.
I dunno what will happen.
My vote is either
1) Reasonable doubt leading to NOT GUILTY
or
2) Found guilty of indecency with a child and the rest thrown out. Time served. Mainly to get him on a registry.
You had him going away for a long time and then you read your friend testified, and poof, it's going to be a cakewalk. Purposely ignorant or purposely naive? I am guessing both and that is a pretty bad combination.
DeleteOh, Jimmy...if you only realized that we were forced into hiding behind pen names because Joey trashed our real names all to hell. If you only knew, then maybe...just maybe...you'd understand how dangerous that man really is.
ReplyDeleteI don't know the details of the rule of sequestration, whether it's still in effect now that both sides have rested, so I'll have to excercise restraint here where other witnesses may read it.
ReplyDeleteIt's safe to say that there isn't certainty when someone receives a message online. It could be from anyone and the recipient would have no way of knowing. Often a witness is kept on a tight leash and answers only the questions asked, so unless that particular matter is asked about, it might not be said. What I can say in a non-specific sense is that I answered the questions asked and was prevented from saying other things.
I administered the technical side of the Ellis County Observer web site. I started doing that years ago. I was helping Joey with his project. I never wanted to be part of the public discourse. Toward the end he started to go crazy.
I'm not what you'd call a Daubenista. I've been Joey's biggest critic, but privately. I've tried to help him, but he simply wasn't interested. As time went on, I started to think he needed professional help that I'm not qualified to give. Since he came back from New Hampshire, I've seen him only once (until this week at the trial). I saw he was digging his own grave and didn't want to be around to watch.
As for why there was communication between the accuser and me, that wasn't addressed at the trial, so I can address it here. He added me as a friend. People often added others very casually back then. I probably shouldn't have accepted his request, but I wasn't thinking in terms of what it might look like. I wouldn't do it now.
The more I learned about Joey, the more concerned I became. I did not expect this type of behavior, but the way the facts have unfolded is quite suggestive. Attacking the accuser, proposing insane conspiracy theories, inconsistent stories - these are not the behaviors of someone who is innocent. The jury has the burden of figuring it all out.
As for Brandy's assertion that I'm strange, I'm quiet and observant, sometimes possibly too much so.
I really think this story needs to be studied over time. I've found it to be fascinating. I'm not happy about having been drawn in to it, but it's been a learning experience to see it happen. I barely knew the accuser. I don't blame him for his conduct if he was going through something he didn't know how to deal with. All I can do now is wish him the best.
Ok, I buy all that and like I said I don't dispute any of your testimony today as I already saw parts of that "threat" on the ECO posted by Brandy right after Joey was arrested. So I knew all along that this was going to be a component of Joey's defense and its certainly worth noting, but I don't think it will change what did or did not happen that night in Navarro. Even the boy's mother testified that he became angry and lashed out after this incident and his message to you would be right up that ally.
DeleteAs to the ECO webmaster part, I would agree that yeah you were behind the scenes and I think both Joey and Brandy mentioned that you were working on a project. Still though, even if you didn't agree, did you see how your helping Joey as a webmaster gave him the ability to do all the things he did? Joey is a dumb ass, he could barely send an email without someone helping him much less run a major website like that.
The more I learned about Joey, the more concerned I became. I did not expect this type of behavior, but the way the facts have unfolded is quite suggestive. Attacking the accuser, proposing insane conspiracy theories, inconsistent stories - these are not the behaviors of someone who is innocent. The jury has the burden of figuring it all out.
DeleteThank you Mr Hernandez. Do you also have the ability to help Jimmy calm the eff down too?
When someone like Joey has to go to such bizarre insane lengths in attempts to explain away an 'incident' back in 2007 and try to connect the dots with other things that TRULY have nothing to do with one another, I'm guessing your observation is correct. Its not the actions of an innocent man. There is a good reason his counsel did not want him to testify. IT IS BECAUSE counsel had zero proof to back up Joey's version - at all.
As someone who has worked extensively with abused teens in the past, this young man demonstrated all types of traits that lend to truth and being a rape victim. I believe he was raped by Joey and I also believe he's not Joey's first victim.
I'm very relieved to read your words in regards to the victim and now understand how you're feeling about all of this.
@ The Voice: I'm relieved as well. Thank you for your post.
DeleteI agree that what I had to say didn't help, and could be taken as evidence against the defense, but it wasn't my choice to say it. Like Brandy, I was there under threat of arrest and getting hauled in.
DeleteAs for the Observer, the insanity snuck up on me. I mostly watched the spam list and did things related to design. I became aware of the stories more gradually. It's hard to defend, but I didn't want to abandon Joey completely. I never saw him any more and our only contact was about the Observer. I know I should have stepped away earlier, but it finally got shut down.
I'm going to be thinking about these events for a long time. I observe behavior and try to understand people. Joey's been my biggest challenge. I basically know everything about him, but at the same time I know almost nothing about him. It's almost like there are two people, and one mostly stays hidden.
Ok, I can buy all of that now that you have explained it. Maybe Jimmy is on to something, maybe I'm falling for you too lol.
DeleteThe part we were fighting with Jimmy on is he is acting like your testimony is going to be some kind of smoking gun that will get Joey an acquittal tomorrow. I guess its possible but I think it was overshadowed by what Brandy said and how that contradicted what Joey said. I think we can all agree that both you and Brandy have no motivation to lie, so when Joey left out that he went to the bathroom with the boy, I think its game set and match.
@ The Voice: I've been feeling bad for Webb all week, now I feel badly for you too. It's hard enough to sit through this kind of thing when you don't know the accused. But, having had a friendship, kinship, or whatever kind of relationship with Joey, it's got to hurt on so many levels to hear the state's case. I count you and Webb as 2 more victims of Joey. And, I'm sorry for your pain.
DeleteI agree NBTDT
Delete@ The Voice, thank you for that explanation. Yet again, we find another person who attempted to convince Joey to seek help, but was met with absolute refusal on his part. I find it sad that so many saw this coming, attempted to intervene, and even offered to assist him in getting professional help. Had he received that help, he may be in a much better place mentally, may not be facing these charges, and most importantly - the victim may have never endured this unnecessary pain.
Deletewb
Hey Joey, is this your last night of freedom? I'm sure your girly friend is letting you read her i-phone to see this blog. You can run on for a long time sooner or later God'll cut you down.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJlN9jdQFSc
JOooooEEEEEyYYYYEY
ReplyDeleteI HEAR A SHOWER CALLING, and this one you are NOT going to like
What establishment did he say was trying to get him? The political establishment? Why would anyone be out to get him? He was nothing but a loudmouth internet bully. He'd attempt to be someone by running for office but I guess Joey and Brannon and their cousins weren't enough to get him elected.
ReplyDeleteI vision him ranting on the stand just like he did when he was doing his last radio shows. Talks just to hear himself. Also, isn't it seem odd that almost every attempt at being an "investigative journalist" seemed to revolve around sex? I wonder what else the psychologist said.
Connie, what say you? This fits into a conspiracy theory just like your creepy old man. I bet his rants will blow Joey's out of the water. But why so quiet? Why not start getting attention by speaking out now, I bet very soon you will be getting that "National Media" that you have been asking for.