"Lawless America continues to be stalked by criminals, professional cyberstalkers like Sean Boushie and semi-professional cyberstalkers like the American Mothers Political Party.
So, we will probably leave Facebook because the website caters to criminals like these."
What is a "semi-profesional cyberstalker"? And more importantly, what do we have to do to get on his bad pie list? I think he knows better than to pick a fight with us directly since we are armed with WMD's (satire and humor).
This Facebook deal is going to hurt Bill like flaky crust under his pie. His lemmings were already confused over which Lawless page is real, now they can't link everything to his posts. How are they going to "google" down their enemies? How are the lemmings going to have an open dialogue with Der Fuhrer so that their fears can be alleviated or sparked depending on the goal? Will there be more than 25 people in DC? Now that Windsor has shown all his enemies exactly how to defeat him, what is going to stop them? The facebook news is really damaging to our girl Mary B, she writes this:
Mary Bagnaschi I have been posting massive government corruption-naming names and direct accusations against big wigs for over 2 years and I have Never been blocked, banned, or any other problem with face book. What is the problem with the Lawless America site, exactly, that is cause for the ban. I'm confused.
Translation: I have been making threats and posting BS on my page for 2 years now, why can't you keep doing it? Do you want me to write a "Dear Obama" letter? Too late, I already did.
Then, Windsor gives us a little hint of what will happen after the "Failure in DC" event is over. He hints at the next step of his "final solution":
"Sadly, experience has shown us that our elected officials ignore information like this, BUT they have never experienced such a massive opresentation of evidence on such a fundamental issue. So, we could see action. But if we don't see immediate action, we move to the next phase of our Lawless America Revolution, and that is bringing criminal charges against all of the corrupt players and those who aid and abet them. A little April No Fool's Day Surprise."
So, lemmings, in case you weren't paying attention and we know you were not, he just said that the DC thing will fail, but thanks for playing. After the event, he plans to go back into his dungeon and write up a bunch of criminal charges against whomever he wants. That should be fun, huh?
Update: We have received information that points to us here at joeyisalittlekid as the culprits in Billy losing his facebook playtime. How about that Billy, we did it, come and get us.
Update: We have received information that points to us here at joeyisalittlekid as the culprits in Billy losing his facebook playtime. How about that Billy, we did it, come and get us.
My guess is that his whole suspension from facebook is fake and he is going to use it as an excuse to back out of everything. Oh and blame me for Ebola, the common cold, sandy hook, and newtown, as well as his bank account hitting rock bottom. Especially after he bought that new gun he keeps telling me about...
ReplyDeletehe will probably chicken out of the DC trip but but I think the FB thing is real. FB was his life and now it has been ripped away from him.
DeleteWell... I do know for a fact that some of my 1,000+ Facebook friends & their friends & their friends were EXTREMELY butthurt & offended by recent Lawless America posts. & those same friends, in their spare time, reported them. Repeatedly on ALL their different accounts. Some of my friends are paying pages...Money talks & Shit talkers like Windsor? Walk~
DeleteBy the way? That report button & the responding email from the Facebook Team? Very therapeutic & satisfying.
I do know people....I don't just run amuck ***Waving*** all the time....most, but NOT all~
Delete*waving & giggle smorting*
Its the least he deserves.... Unfortunately hes not the only megalomaniac in the world... On to the next one!
DeleteLOL, Giggle snort.... Still "hoofing" it to DC? I rsvp'd!
DeleteSo what you are saying is we could take credit for the FB ban? Lets go with that, maybe then he will give us some credit
DeleteYou can have all the credit you want!! A super assist with a grouop effort at least!
Deleteok, I updated the post with all the credit. He is going to pay attention to us one way or the other.
DeleteMy wager is he is being paid, just like Cox was, to harass me.
DeleteYep, he has been setting the stage for quite some time now. No one (well except for the Ginger Snap group) has been paying attention.
DeleteHe will leave FB now that he has SOOOOO much proof (that he created himself) of being harassed and stalked. All fake, all created either by Pie Guy, and or one of the many minions on the inside with an agenda. (which is kind of funny. Who is the better con man game. He has NO clue who is who, cause he is a con man too. HAHAHAHA)
He already set the stage for the DC let down several times. Talkpie the other night for example- He said congress is avoiding them. NOT. But not to worry, they would find someone to talk to. He said they didn't secure the large room for the press, congress and all thousands of them, but they would find a place. He threw out the Donahue "LIKE" thing, but all the minions heard was Phil Donahue will be there. There are way too many examples.
He is mimicking the Costa Concordia's Captain Schettino 'Jumped Ship When He Saw It Was Sinking'
I dont think he will jump ship, he has no life boat. I just think he is going to try and transition into something more profitable for him in terms of using his lemmings.
DeleteGinger SnapJanuary 24, 2013 at 9:55 AM
Deleteok, I updated the post with all the credit. He is going to pay attention to us one way or the other.
LMAO You sure have been trying hard. Even some of those videos have joey is a little kid in them and still - nothing?
it was those damn alpacas that did it
ReplyDeleteLemme just say, I have nice friends & they got some giggles outta the PieLiar pages & characters. I have tried to bring them up to current speed, but I can't...they're doing some reading & catching up. No one like a bully, or pitiful, desperate folks being taken advantage of. Mostly, No one wants to become a target, like we've seen him do to unsuspecting folks.
DeleteI'm fairly sure that there is some law enforcement & state agencies looking at PieLiar rather closely, now. I hope he has all his receipts & his files are in order, the IRS is so picky.
Anyone notice the Picture of the Devil, with the VAWA.....he took money from people that feel if you Charge men that beat their wives, it hurts their Family and is against family values.. wow
ReplyDelete"MEET THOMAS JEFFERSON AND ME (BILL WINDSOR) IN DC - FEBRUARY 5-6, 2013."
ReplyDeleteSo does he own the rights to TJ as well?
He read your comment Ginger, then went on to make his not so witty snarky comment, blaming AMPP. You still get no credit. Post below Anon 11:32
DeleteWhy is Billy digging up dead people? Thomas died like? 1825 or something... not sure there will be anything left.
DeleteOr is that just a trick to see how many lemmings are reading his stuff?
Well now most of the protective mothers have been nicely eliminated, out comes the REAL hate groups. You should see the picture.(the other post I made was at the end of the national pie day page)
ReplyDeleteDavid Carlin to lawless
about an hour ago
STOP CHILD ABUSE FOR PROFIT. Judicial over reaching comes in many forms. Joe Biden was warned that VAWA would be abused in divorce cases. Today, BAR Associations are active promoting members into legislative bodies. BAR association members throw cases of clients in order to protect their political agenda. Long term negative social impacts result from this political agenda to fragment the public based on gender. Truthful acts of violence based on gender are about 50/50%. Malfeasance takes place by advocate groups and State agencies seeking funding. A simple Audit of these groups will show fabrication of evidence and material facts being omitted to obtain federal funding. Large Scale frauds against the American people have taken place via. Judicial members and "friends of the courts". Demand audits and funding to VAWA be cut to all current biased programs. VAWA is a judicial tactic to circumvent Human rights treaties signed into force and increase the need for judicial services. Heal the broken hearts for broken hearts are always blind. Do not allow systemic abusers to destroy at risk families. No family should ever be exploited for funding, profit, donations or political gains, under the color of law.
— with Dorothy Knightly and 50 others at United States Supreme Court Building.
Ben Vonderheide YEEHAW - That's a HOOT! Didin't I see this lovely demon on Capital Hill pushing man-hate yesterday?
55 minutes ago · Like..
Kevin Hayden I sent this to Teri Stodard who was flying into DC yesterday to lobby against VAWA in its current broken form.
FYI: http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/2012/09/14/restraining-order-helps-mom-murder-children/
...See More
Oh ya, and Billy, you can't dispute it now...you can't go and erase these men or even defend yourself against supporting these jerks. YOU set it up, YOU supported it, YOU propetuated the hate, YOU,YOU,YOU.
DeleteIts too late. It's out there, and now everyone can see the real you.
and he know who she is, Lorri C was throw out of Lawless America CA because she was against Teri..
Delete"Truthful acts of violence based on gender are about 50/50%"
DeleteWhat?
cough, cough, b.s.
DeleteWho is an easier target for an abuser? A woman or child jogging in a park or a man? And who would more likely be the attacker? This act is being twisted into a divorce issue, leaving anyone abused to defend themselves.
So the elderly woman who was raped in her apartment when she was sleeping...sorry not enough proof. The girl out jogging in the park who was rapped and stabbed to death...sorry not enough proof. The boy walking home from school who was kidnapped and tortured...sorry, not enough proof. All because a bunch of angry people who were convicted of some kind of abuse, want to say this act is the reason, and they are ALL falsely accused. Just like Joey.
Ginder Snap, the shocking part of them is alot of the money come from a Trafficking women and Mail Order Bride Company..... and he calls AMPP a hate group to surport people like that
DeleteTerri standard actually confined child sexual abuse and then got an attitude when she was called.on it. I sent screenshots to petunia pity at glennscult.blogspot.com a few years back. Terri is a vicious mean lady if she thinks you have crossed her.
DeleteOk so has anyone read this "State Legislation Proposal" that Billy has written? OMG I couldn't even finish reading it because i was laughing to hard. This man seriously needs help if he thinks any law maker is going to take him seriously. (oh and it is very self fa-filling I might add)
ReplyDeletehttp://lawlessamerica.com/images/stories/GRIP/state%20legislation%20proposal-2012-09-26.pdf
I know, that needs its own topic. I really wonder how many of the lemmings have read that little manifesto because if they did, many of those new rules would work directly against them.
DeleteI'm sure that his lemmings are not smart enough to know the difference if they did read it. There are several points he makes in it like this one:
Delete"5. Judges must insist that people tell the truth in court with extreme consequences for those who don't."
Um, they do it's called perjury.
"6. Perjury is a cause of action that will be allowed in a civil suit with an automatic jury trial."
Ok several things on this one. First, a charge of perjury is not allowed in a civil case because it is a criminal offense. Second, you can however sue someone that has perjured against you in a civil case. It's called slander. Finally, not everyone wants or needs to have a jury trial in a civil case. It is your job as an American citizen to know or right to a jury trial, whether it be criminal or civil.
Correction *your right
DeleteSorry was typing too fast. LOL
Oh there are just so many things I could pick apart in this. I think I could right a novel. LOL
Deleteoh we could go all day on these:
Delete61. No one shall be jailed for non-payment of anything.
75. No person may be named a vexatious litigant without a finding by a jury.
52. Grandparents shall be listed on all birth certificates, and grandparents shall have automatic custody rights if their child is unable and they are willing and able. Grandparents are not always a good answer, but the should be looked at FIRST, and not as a second thought.
There is something to the grandparent thing, there has to be a backstory there as to why he keeps crying about grandparent rights
Ohhhhh so Billy must not be able to see his grandchild/ren. Ok, so is it from the daughter or the unmarried son? Inquiring minds want to know...
Deletehis daughter is missing with his wife
DeleteIf that is true, it would explain his hate of women, and his protection now towards abusive men...hint, hint, pie boy. You angry, seemingly abusive by your hateful post, old fart.
DeleteDisclaimer-IMHO
Grandparents be listed on birth certificates??? Oh my, he's like the psychotic version of Marie Barone from Everybody loves Raymond isn't he?!!
DeleteTalk about wanting control over your grandkids lives. Wonder if its his daughter or son. I would be son's kids given mama bears don't take well to unwelcome advice with their offspring and his son's wife didn't grow up drinking from the Windsor kool aid.
* I would bet
DeleteYappy....the son is single. Don't think ever married. Could be wrong, has happened once that I can recall.
DeleteBut, could be why he is so asshurt about Grandparents rights. Maybe the baby mama took off because well, after all, Pie Boy trained his son well...and decided she didn't like pie.
Could be the daughter, another Anon thought she and the MRS have taken flight...in search of...CAKE (cause after all you CAN have your cake and eat it too.)
There are pics at Walters funeral of Ryan with a girlfriend and child? I guess I could be wrong on that assumption.
Deleteif so, then his poor daughter. I hope her husband is as protective as mine, I can't imagine someone like Billy running my world? He'd be speaking in a permanent mickey mouse tone for eternity.
But something about this grandparent thing is boiling his blood to no end. Someone somewhere told Billy g'pa to go to hell at one point. He really has NO current pics of his grandchildren either. That is fishy.
New word: "BILLSHIT" (yes, I mmight put that in the urban dictionary. Really? He wants to change how many years that parents are the "guardians" of their children to Nana and Papa have custody too?! Such utter BIllSHIT! He's gone off the rails of the crazy train. He hates the gov't but yet he wants their help. I cannot wait until DC as I know for a FACT that the FBI and DC police have been alerted to this group, they were NOT amused. So anyone that has a sensiblility (and I'm sure most that follow fucktard don't) better stay the hell away from DC. The funniest thing, FBI already KNOWS about the pie man.
DeletePietard can try all as he can but he's no spin doctor, he's a snake oil saiesman and THAT is FACT.
Oh Billy is sooooo funny....NOT. And stop fricken blaming AMPP you moron, fat pie eating, not funny at all, doofus.
ReplyDeleteBill Windsor
MEET THOMAS JEFFERSON AND ME (BILL WINDSOR) IN DC - FEBRUARY 5-6, 2013.
http://www.lawlessamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1280%3Ameet-me-in-dc-february-5-6-2013-dont-miss-it&catid=133%3Alawless-america-the-movie&Itemid=105
This wonderful photo was taken at the Jefferson Memorial in Washington, DC. I have been there. I have many photographs. But this is not my photograph, and I haven't been in DC for seven months. I don't know who took this photograph, but we own the rights to use it, and we thank them. :-)
Oh, and Thomas Jefferson is dead, so you won't actually be able to meet him. There are some folks out there with AMPP who aren't smart enough to know things like this. — with Lawless America at Jefferson Memorial.
Wait if I remember correctly, wasn't one of the lemmings that thought they were going to meet Phil in D.C.
DeleteAnd you say AMPP is dumb.
When did TJ die?? He was JUST on the news!!!
Deletehttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_orkXxp0bhEA/SX0BUHNDD5I/AAAAAAAAPh0/5EUGQXY5aTk/s1600/090125-jefferson-tv1.jpg
OMG! ROTFL!!
DeleteI especially like the Obama comment at the bottom!
AMPP is just as guilty as Pieboy for not verifying facts and seeking attention at any cost. That is the only explanation I could ever see for AMPP having Mrs. Ed on their show constantly or why they would allow Mrs. Ed to be one of their Facebook page admin's. Now AMPP comes here as they try to shake the pie dust off of their shirt. AMPP blindly supported people like Connie and blasted the accused mercilessly.
ReplyDeleteFor the record I know that AMPP has throw people out of the group, after they found out the woman was abusing their child and lying.....and most of the women on his list, was not even in the movie.....I am the second to get hit and my group is Not AMPP....and All I did was tell him, he has a crook and a hacker runner his page and he went nuts, Trust me..... we have all learn a very big Lessen from all of this...and to come here and try to throw a pie at AMPP is wrong.... they support women first, until they find out they are using people or hurting their child....
DeleteProblem I have with that is Connie has been supported by AMPP for years. She has no evidence other than the crap she made up. It wasn't hard to verify this, all you had to do was read the timeline in her own words and watch it evolve into something else. I did that years ago.
DeleteConnie spins everything into a great story, with absolutely no facts that back her up. She was totally supported by AMPP in telling these lies on many of their shows. Why is there no vetting attempted?
I know it is easy to believe people who tell stories like what you have personally experienced, but before you promote them as a case to prove your point, you should at least do some minimal fact checking of data not provided by your alleged victim.
I say this as a victim of DV and abuse. I support women who truly need help. Just not those that lie about the abuse.
I wan't fast enough Oceans! didn't mean to interrupt you!
DeleteLOL, there is no interrupting me, I consist of wave after wave of words ;)
DeleteIn reading the comment below this one, I have to add, I am glad that AMPP tries to help all women without vetting them, however helping them with a referral, or advice, or even emotional support is different than using a woman and her story as a poster child for the abuse going on in the courts. In Connie's case, she was believed and used as a story without vetting the actual facts. She was and is using the name of her ex and her child in these BS stories she tells about the courts etc. She is not telling the truth, and she is committing slander and libel. Since she has nothing to lose, she won't even get sued. She succeeds in damaging the reputation of AMPP, and other mothers with real abuse, and true court problems.
If you are going to promote a story as fact to support other mothers, you should at least be sure who and what you are promoting as fact and issues. There are enough horrific cases and stories out there, you only lose you credibility when you push agendas like Connie's.
LOL @anon 11:55 "AMPP is just as guilty as Pieboy for not verifying facts and seeking attention" Where in AMPP's mantra does it say we verify all mothers who come to us for help? LOL They help all mothers. ALL is inclusive. Their information and education is for bad mothers as well as good. LOL nice sideways shot FAIL. Their mantra claims "Until Mothers and Childrens voices are heard we will never shut up, give up or go away" Claudine Dombrowski They are not seeking to find which victims are corrupt or not, but then they are not making a movie either....are they?
ReplyDeleteAMPP supports moms and kids-- very few groups do that. In addition- very very few allegations of abuse are false in custody litigation-- there are stats on that all over the place and very prominent judges willing to tell the truth- like Judge Sol Gothard- who states only about 2-7% of sex abuse allegations are false- -he is on you tube-- watch it --mothers make far fewer false allegations than fathers
DeleteThis is off the subject, but none the less an interesting video and very good advice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
ReplyDelete-Brannon
Brannon are you the person in the Teri Stoddard morph suit .....
DeleteWhat is it to you Bill? Might have been his Uncle Focker
DeleteI am not Bill, it is just Teri is going nuts on it and I was thinking it would be fun to play with her...
DeleteLOL Teri....oooh gotta go look..darn I have her blocked...shoot.
Deleteit on youtube no blocks
DeleteYes, they help nutjobs like Bedwell to promote their lies. Now AMPP drops Bedwell like a hot potato. "Information and education"?
ReplyDeleteNo, I don't think but really don't know if they are making a movie. However, they did hold a weekly radio show where it was a cackle fest. If they are for helping mothers, maybe they should check on which mothers are truly in need of help because they make it harder for true victims to be heard when they give any attention to people like Mrs. Ed.
They post information on the internet, that is the help they offer, it is sorta difficult to vet who reads it, and they are a voice for all mothers, they continued to share Loryn's stuff even after she bashed them.
DeleteYou guys need to read the new post, I can't make this stuff up
ReplyDeleteIs everyone reading on the regular lawless page/ FB? Or one of the state pages
DeleteI'm on main page (Main Stage) & my girl MaryB's, & checkingn thru the favorites linked.
DeleteCheck out the new post that Ginger made....
DeleteWendy Beal wrote this a few minutes ago....
ReplyDeleteFor some reason everytime I click on one of my Lawless America videos, my Avast security software says that threat has been detected and that it is a malicious. Somehow spyware has been installed on my computer although I have not opened any attachments or downloaded anything. I don't know if t is just me having problems like this, I know these judges are mad because we aren't supposed to have a forum to have our voices heard. Everytime I try to put anything in the comment section on YouTube my computer freezes up or I lose all of my work when I try to post anything about our cases up here. My keyboard won't register whatI am typing or it hesitates for a long time before what I typed shows up.It is as if someone is trying to stop me from exercising my right to free speech. A lot of words end up misspelled or missing letters and worthat I have typed'
LMAO WTF?
psssst....Wendy? your computer is dogsnit! No judge gives a rat's fuzzy patootie about what YouTube ish you're watching...
DeleteMakes my head hurt when I giggle snort like that~
Nevermind, her next post is a police state video link....she got a good connection now...
DeleteLOL it's not the Judge Wendy, but it might be those savy tech's that Billy has working for him...
DeleteTo all the Pie Minions who are posting crap about AMPP over yonder....Regardless of what your braindead leader told you, this is Ginger Snaps page- NOT AMPP.
ReplyDeleteNow run back over to Pie Boy America, cause he needs some attention. He doesn't like it when his minions wander off and start befriending other groups.
LOL, AMPP is not in control of this page, or able to do anything more than just post here like the rest of us.
ReplyDeleteThe minions are short of deductive reasoning so I will be clear....
GINGERSNAP runs this page. GINGERSNAP is not part of AMPP.
Tell Bill, he needs to know.
There ya go, I hope this helps LOL
LOL, I think they will still be confused. But you get an A+ for effort.
DeleteAMPP didn't know about this blog, who Ginger Snap or Sean Boshies is up until a few weeks ago. Little Presley sent the link a while ago to them whining that they are some big meanies over there and her father runs the blog. I have only seen SC bravely post a few times in the last few weeks. They never denied, to my knowledge, that they had the tinfoil trips as "associates". Let's go into the wayback machine shall we? Let's see how this whole AMPP vs Pie Man "war" started? Go look at the previous posts. The first pie thrown was by Mr. Bill. He got pissed to high heaven when he saw on a thread by a Petunia Pig (no relation to the Alpaca) that they didn't support "Grandparents Rights". That irked him BIG TIME. Then when they stood by that stance (stil do) he started dropping any "AMPP" moms. He blocked both leaders to his fb pages and proceeded his smear campaign. Thennthe Ccx crowed thrice and that they didn't associate w/AMPP and begged der Furer to keep their vids in. Even when AMPP said, "yeah, they aren't a part of us" he refused. The three went off crying in a corner because not only did piedick leave them in the dust, their bridge they burned down to the ground w/AMPP was/is irreversible. Lesson to the wise or not so wise, don't shit on women that have been doing this for DECADES trying to educate and empower mothers aobut family court and what to expect if you're a dv victim. So what? AMPP "supported" them, so sue them! OH that's right that's Pie Daddy's gig.
ReplyDeleteBottom line is bily boy needed a scapegoat as I'm sure if he's been in cahoots w/Glenn Sacks and Fathers and Families they might have been his biggest donor.
I personallly think that anon@11:55 is SC since he really does have sour grapes about anyone who has listened to his daughter, I assume that 's Dr. Fool too?
Has AMPP made mistakes, of course, have they learned from them? You bet your ass. It doesn't matter if Ginger Snap puts up a billboard, skywriting or radio/tv ads saying that she's NOT affiliated w/AMPP. You're all guilty by association just like all the moms he filmed were.
I asked AMPP to stop posting lies created by Dauben ever since I heard of that little p.o.s. which ended up with more lies and more "Fuck you Shane Crowe" from AMPP. Connie proudly admitted under oath she was an admin for AMPP which made me even more puzzled. On top of attacking any religious groups that don't fall in line with her way of thinking, what exactly did Bedwell offer to be brought in as a page admin? Allowing the fox (in Connie's case, a horse) in charge of the hen house is what I don't understand. AMPP can help victims by educating them, helping them find resources available for their case, helping them find solutions to getting out of abusive situations but they really didn't care if Connie or Presley were presenting facts, all it mattered was that they had someone who gets attention which gets them attention. Yes, I saw all the promotions on AMPP about Dr. Phil and other attempts by Presley and Connie to get attention and I have yet to understand the educational value.
DeleteMaybe AMPP should ask Presley why she refused therapy with Dr. Phil? I was asked to go on the show but had no desire to. I agreed to participate if they conducted an investigation to prove or disprove Presley's statements with one condition, that if it was proven the statements were false, that they provide her therapy and counseling in the hopes that I may be able to someday have a relationship with her again. A firm offered to fully investigate pro bono and prove or disprove Presley's allegations but when Presley and her mother were informed that they would have to take a polygraph, they declined to participate in an investigation. The show did provide Presley with counseling but she quit after one session which she left in the middle of. She then went on a public campaign to ridicule Dr. Phil for "not helping her" but never tells anyone that she had received exactly what she wanted but then decided against it.
I don't have sour grapes, but I do have to wonder if someone promotes a person on their word alone and attacks the accused without asking any questions, is that the only situation where that has occurred or is that the groups MO.
I am not a blogger, don't run this blog and don't care to have a blog.
SC
I knew it was you! LMAO! So now it's AMPP's duty to ask questions about others that they have no knowledge about? You are clueless SC. You are so sure and know for fact that she declined therapy yet you say she did go to one session and yet YOU declined to go on the show? Why not? I would if I was "falsely accused" not to mention that I would keep anything I said "civil" to give myself credibility, you did neither.
DeleteAlso, just to point out that again if I was "falsely accused" of molesting my daughters I would defend myself on the Dr. Fool show or any other venue and I would stay away from my accusers. But you still haven't.
Really, how do you know SO much about your estranged daughter? Hmmmm?? Shall I get the screen shots from your little temper tentrum? Alanis Morrissette song "Ironic" playing in my head right now. You're mad that this blog gave AMPP a voice and no one gave that courtesy for you except for your hatred spewing posts about your daughter. You are a sad, sad man.
Knew what?
DeleteRead slowly before responding. Thinking anyone would ask questions that they have no knowledge of is absurd. However, wouldn't you think perhaps there would have been a followup to the story you promoted as the gospel? Woulnd't you read how she mocked therapy if you had her as one of your admin's? No, because you didn't give a crap, you only figured it falled under your "guidelines" of providing "education". I said that I wouldn't go on the show unless they would try to help Presley. They tried but she refused. Going on a show does what?
I'm not mad at this blog, I got most of my information reading here.
SC
READ MY LIPS>>>>What information do YOU need to know?? Why are you so concerned about your daughters protected mental health records? Sorry you're not getting the attention you need, do you need a hug??
DeleteWhere would I read that you say, "Woulnd't you read how she mocked therapy"? What blog is that on?
Sorry I'm not so far up your daughters ass (pun not intended) as you are to question every single person that comes to AMPP.
You know the saying: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
It comes from Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act III, scene II, where it is spoken by Queen Gertrude, Hamlet's mother. The phrase has come to mean that one can "insist so passionately about something not being true that people suspect the opposite of what one is saying.
YOU are that lady.
I don't need any information. I'm not concerned about any of that. I read where you were called out for being just as bad as your once highly admired leader for being full of shit. How does it feel that you were slobbering all of Dauben, all over Farris and most recently all over Pie-man at one time and now think they are the "bad guy". You were on the edge of your seat during their shows and advocated all of them as someone to follow but when you find out they are not what they say they are, you go silent or change boats midstream. Yes, very educational but not how you think it is.
DeleteSC
Sorry, I can't sit on the side line for this one. I'm in SC's court. If Presley and Joey had done to me what was done to SC my anger would be much more visible and louder than his has been.
DeleteWe followed Joey because he posted whatever he wanted to without regard for the truth or damage he was causing. I never heard of AMPP until the war with LA and I haven't seen AMPP's support of Presley. But, if SC is correct, AMPP posted and supported Presley's story, then SC's anger is justified, AMPP is in the same class with Joey.
Re: lessons learned - I hope now AMPP will vet "protective mothers" before posting the "they done me wrong" stories. Otherwise, that puts them in the same class with Joey AND Bill. I'm all for providing assistance and referrals to women that need help out of abusive situations. But this stuff with Presley is beyond the scope of AMPP's mission statement.
Again, you are clueless. Did you read the part where I said yes we had been "had" by many? As far as any slobbering, I don't recall that. I recall for about one week timeframe that I was told about Jokey and then he was arrested for sexual abuse. And Farris? That's a good one! But pie daddy, hell no! We posted videos that he had from OUR mothers, remember the part when they were removed? You make all these accusations and assumptions based upon your opinion. Such a creeper really or maybe stalker is the correct verbiage.
DeleteNow you're mad because AMPP isn't being slammed for being a "bad guy" because in your mind we did you wrong. Why is it wrong for us to change midstream? Isn't that what people do when they know they're heading in the wrong direction? You have no logical response and personally you can cry all day on here about your woes, don't care. But here's a big hug and kiss for you ((((((SC)))))) now go back to googling your name and spying on your kid.
Maybe I missed something, as I said before, I wasn't monitoring Presley or Joey's activities, neither were other AMPP's.
DeleteMight I just point out for one minute to think for maybe a minute that what IF Presley told the truth about her father if not the "alleged" sexual abuse but from his anger I can see why she doesn't want to be near him?
What did she have to gain by doing this? If he's inncocent why take his fight to a blog vs. Dr. Phil? If you were SC what would you do? Be even more angry? I know damn well that I woulnd't do what he's done to date. Sorry NBTD but his credibility is shot for me. Now if he would have came to us in a manner of saying, "please listen to my side of the story, I didn't do this, I am truly wrongfully accused" and pointed to the direction of where his proof was. He didn't, he came to us calling us "idiots" and critiquing our use of punctuation and grammar. Very mature btw.
There is still a lot of unanswered questions about his character but we have proof of what a$$hole he is. You can be mad if you're "allegedly" wrongfully accused, but going out and attacking others whose vocation is to stand by victims of abuse? Come on, get real. And really, AMMP is in the same class as Joey? Wow. Thanks for the good times. I guess the AMPP bashing will start now, all over a bitter, vindictive man whose sole intent is to destroy anyone that sides with his own flesh and blood. Now THAT is the real meat and potatoes of this sad story.
Actually it was not just the pp post. I downloaded my video which piety told me I could when I filmed. he said so I could send it out, use it to help with my case. plus I saw you yabling vids. he saw me upload mine and went bat shit crazy. I made it private but still did not matter. he blocked me and attacked me personally. I am an original ampp. mom but I work full time care for my child and deal with an abuser who has broken close to 50 laws over the last eight years. I am laying low but still watching him.
Deleteto the anon at 5:50, sorry you were used by Bill, and I hope you learned from the experience.
DeleteHang in there, it's hell being caught in the long term legal abuse, but there is an end to it somewhere. I know laying low is hard, but you are doing the right thing even if it is hard and lonely. I did it for years, fortunately for me my abuser had a stroke and has short term memory issues and can barely remember me. It helps to know there are others who have survived. I will say a prayer for you.
My favorite memory of this all will be the email from Cox when she said she wanted to "help" AMPP. When she was rebuked over and over again, now here it is, the BEST part, "Don't you know who I am?!"
ReplyDeleteNo I don't, but after I binged that shit I found out that it was YOU the blogger who was sued. Like that gives her some celebrity status?? Then come to find out that her "stalker" is actually the one that has a restraining order on HER!
Good times, and thanks to the many that have allowed to give AMPP a voice here much like they do for mothers. I know my husband thanks you for giving me endless of hours of entertainment by your posts and the comments by the clubhouse gang.
Oh Roo, it doesn't surprise me Crystal is such a tool she thinks you should know who she is. She must slosh when she walks (like bill) she is so full of herself.
DeleteIt's quite the extortion racket she has attempted. I hope no one is ever fooled by that (^$% again. I bet Bill took her on thinking he could use her skills LOL. Sure glad that blew up in his face like bad pie.
She really is no problem to figure out. It's probably Karma that leads her to people like Connie to offer her help. They deserve each other.
Actually.. Cox jiggles when she walks... badly, if ya know what I mean... And it keeps going when she stops.
DeleteYep, I had a restraining order against her, want a copy? It didnt stop her, shes cra cra...
For the record, the blogtalk show was an "open forum" such as this one, she called into the show. Since Ginger Snap doesn't control the comments on here like Bitler woul what can you do when take someone at "face value" over the internet?
ReplyDeleteDid anyone go to AMPP and say "Hey, Connie is batshit crazy yo". Kind of figured it out when she started talking about lightning and bilble codes though, but no judgement. Only thing was SC going to them in a hostile manner, which didn't really solidify his innocence all that much, and blasting their "grammatical" errors and a few other threats.
Personaly I think that SC is a lunatic as well, I mean afterall he did "raise" the devil that went down to Texas to get engaged to another lunatic. Some things are just inheritantly put in you. Noboby can disagree, I would think, that we all are a "product" of our environment. I know I am. I come from a LONG line of badass bitches and I say that with all the love in the world. I come from a single mother home and had the influence of a grandmother who told the police back in 1973 to F*** off and was subsequently dragged down the driveway into the sqaud car. Only because some neighbor had slashed the tires on my uncles car and when the police came they were less than helpful (go figure). Didn't say it was a "smart" thing to do but point being my grandmother didn't take shit from anyone.
My great grandmother (another single mother) stored stills in her attic in Chicago for Al Capone. My grandmother used to tell me how she remebers when one of the stills blew up and whiskey was running down the walls. Not a good thing to have during Prohibition. But it shows you that the blood of these women that run through my veins are here with me always and I don't take shit from anyone.
I could really care less what they think or say. AMPP reputation is solid and every time we have these hiccups we grow. For the record, we don't rely on fb for everything, it's not our life. We have several "underground" groups and have had them for years that is safer than fakebook ever could be. There is a vetting process to be on the group and none of the three that are discussed here often are in it.
You know back in 2007 when you googled "mother's rights", "family court corruption" or "domestic violence in family court" all that would come up was father's rights crap. AMPP took on the task to give mother's rights an internet presence and if that's the only thing that they "succeed" in then so be it. When the emails come in from mothers that have made headline news because their ex murdered her twin daughters and say "I wish I would have known about you before". It breaks my damn heart. I wish I had known many things too when as a dv victim walking into a courtroom in 1997 that I would be walking out wearing the scarlet letter A, for abused.
So if the AMPP bashing is to begin here and now we're being scolded for being had so be it, obviously we're used to it LOL. Thick skinned is number one when you put yourself out there on the WWW, something pie boy hasn't figured out.
Such a nice guy that SC is, this is how he begins the dialogue with AMPP oh and there is MORE. http://tinypic.com/r/kb2cf4/6
DeleteYou want to dance SC? I know you only know how to tap dance around facts but let's go. You get your "info" on here, about what?? What is so important that you need to know??
Your daughter loathes you from what I've seen and you're not too keen on her. Your superiority complex is sickening and you remind me of my former abuser and frankly it makes me ill to even speak with you, again.
Why not go after Kathleen Russell who set up the Dr. Phil gig. Were ALL those that appeared on that show liars? Amy Leichtenber, Katie Tagle?
No where have I ever said that everyone was a liar. The Tagle person was heartbreaking. I'm not going after anyone, I just decided to comment. Why would a "lunatic" get so under your skin? You are so prestigious and so highly admired for your outstanding work, why would someone get to you so?
DeleteMy mistake, your unsolicited "Fuck You" should have instead forced me to my knees and beg forgiveness from the almighty hyena.
OH please! Here it is in living color. Such a nice man you are. Coming to our page, talking shit. But you should have solace in knowing we took your grammatical editing advice. Thank YOU!! (((((SC)))) more hugs screwball.
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I agree with that statement Roo-- before AMPP started helping moms and kids- there were no resources on mothers and custody corruption-- it is my position to believe a child when they report abuse-- it is our duty as mothers to believe our children- kids dont make that up. It is not AMPP's fault if a couple of crazies sneak in once in a blue moon- 99.9% of the moms are legit- and have nowhere to turn for research or shoulders-- you SC must have tons of shoulders- every other inch of the internet is filled w fathers rights losers
DeleteOooh call Farris, I mean Dauben, I mean Windsor...well you will find someone to call.
ReplyDelete@ The Ampp's: I'm not bashing AMPP, but I am taking a swipe at the chip on your shoulder. People that have an inner strength use the power quietly and appropriately; they don't feel the need to explain 1) that they have it or 2) where it came from. And, I've seen that same chip on a few moms that have visited here. One way the chip reveals itself is in an open hostility towards all men - which is where I take exception.
ReplyDeleteI think it's great that AMPP provides assistance for victims of abuse. But swarming all over any woman that claims to be a victim of abuse is unfair to good fathers and the true victims of abuse. You can't help the ones truly in need if you are too busy supporting women that aren't telling the truth and/or who caused their own problems.
As for AMPP's assistance, I have a question. In providing resource information to the mother, is local law enforcement mentioned? It drives me crazy to hear on the news after a DV death "she made several attempts to leave him". What does that mean? He hit her, she left, she came back, he hit her, she left, she came back, etc, etc, etc until he killed her or one of the kids. It should be; he hit her, she called the cops, SHE PRESSED CHARGES, he's arrested, she leaves him and doesn't go back. There are LAWS to help battered women. Isn't that the point of American Mothers Political Party? To make sure women are protected by law?
I haven't seen a case yet in which a father was given custody if there are criminal charges against him for DV or sexual abuse. Keep in mind as you think about that, the cops will not accept or act on a complaint without validity.
Now, where is Presley's criminal complaint? SC had every right to ask for the information about him be removed. He did not owe AMPP an explanation, nor did he need to justify his request. If anybody is going to post something about somebody else, they ought to be damn sure it is correct and back it up. AMPP was out of line to post that kind of accusation without any support in it's validity, other than "Presley said so". Whether you like it or not, taking people like Connie and Presley at their word has hurt your credibility.
Just so you know, I see the same chip on the shoulders of some men in fathers rights groups. If one posts here, I'll go left on him too. Absent an abusive situation, all parents should be working with EACH OTHER, not the courts, to raise their children. There wouldn't be a need for attorneys, judges and GAL's if people took care of their kids, not their egos.
Here is an website that explains a lot. Not trying to start anything, just trying to put some information out, and calm this down a bit.
DeleteYes, I agree with you 100% that both parents are important IF they are good parents. However, it's not as simple as you make it out to be when there is abuse. If you are married, or getting divorced, it's like a world unto it's own...and the courts don't care who is right or who is wrong. They just want your money.
http://www.lundybancroft.com/?page_id=134
oh my lord-- so many convicted batterers get full custody-- it is hard to fathom until you have lived it- too many cases to list- just read a stat that only 10 percent of custody cases dont settle- the others litigate forever because the fathers are abusers in those cases. Abusers can no longer control the victim - so they use the kids to punish the mom-- there are lots of great dads out there- lots. I am an AMPP mom-- I dont hate men- I dont hate dads...I hate abusers-- child abusers the most of all
DeleteYou're better off looking at Barry Goldsteins work than Bancrofts, he likes to charge exorbinant amounts for his expert testimony and his little retard Janice Levinson is on LA's side. In fact, she's got more father's rights people on her page than Glenn Sacks. http://www.barrygoldstein.net/
DeleteOne more story which by the way was a REAL DOCUMENTARY
Deleteis, No Way Out But One - they tell the story of Holly Collins - who - among other outrages - was "diagnosed" with Munchausen by Proxy syndrome - sub category - Doctor Shopping - because she sought treatment for her abused children.
Sounds like the story of lyme disease Mary.. Even pie ass seems to avoid her.
DeleteReal documentary? Collins is prime example of brainwashing her children along with Dumas. Why is one of Dumas' children believed but the other two older ones speak up about their mothers relentless abuse and brainwashing on them? We're not to believe two of Dumas' children? mhmmm
DeleteWell I am one of those moms. I stayed because i had already walked down the single mom road and it was not pretty. I realized the family life was going to be uglier than single parenting so I finally left. This ws after three major episodes. One very early on and then it was several years before the next two. Now after leaving I realized that when I stated there were three episodes, that was not true, there were actually more. A man what ties up his wife in order to force her to have sex is raping her. I didn't think of it like that until after I left. I realized that even though we were married that did not give him the right to do that. So truth be told there were more than three episodes.
DeleteNow as to the filing charges and him being arrested? Been down that road too. Called twice on assaults in 005. Called on stalking every year since then. Filed assault charges again in 2007, 2011, 2012 and this year. His county refuses to do anything. Filed charges for phone harassment since 2008. Nothing done. Filed identity theft charges in 2008 and 2011. Nothing done. Filed kidnapping charge in 2012 (November). Nothing done. Filed truancy charges 2012. Nothing done. Filed civil contempt charges nearly every year, quit for 2010-2011. All denied. Filed for suspension of license three times since 2005 last time being 2009. Child support was cancelled then, he no longer is obligated to support our child. I also took several of these issues to SS office and office of civil rights. Heard nothing back. Filed complaints with food stamps, nothing done. Filed complaints with cps over false reports of abuse against me by him. Nothing done. I have been investigated for allegations of everything from I refuse to buy our child glasses, to athletes foot, to all I feed my child is ramen soup and so much more.
Point behind all this? I am pretty angry at the waste of time and more in my case, but I do not go around verbally bashing fathers rights activists in public. Not saying what I do in private lol, but in public I keep it all as civil as possible. SC comes here and on AMPP's wall and websites and bahes unmercifully. Who cares if you mispell a word here and there? Its not like you are in English 101 and being graded on it for crying out loud.
Anyway the long and shot of tis comment is two fold. One SC needs to get a life andleave AMPP alone. We help moms and their children. PERIOD. Dads have lots of groups out there and the gubment to turn to for help. My ex uses them, I should know.
Two - there sometimes are idiots in the system. My case is a prime example of why women end up staying. There are days when i think maybe I would have been wiser to stay. Horrible thinking but sometimes it is so hard being a single mom who honestly gets no gubment assistance. But then I realize - nope. No matter how hard it gets I have to stay gone. I had a good police officer tell me once that my case made him proudest and saddest. Proud because i stayed strong and did not go back, and sad because the system is failing me and my child every day.
If I had it to do over again I would have returned to my abuser and stayed and did the "till death do we part thing" If he killed me I would not hear about the abuse he is inflicting on my children from my kids. If I killed him in self defense we would be living a much better life. Too bad NBTD has become so judgmental. If you have not seen cases where men get custody with DV charges you are not looking too hard. Claudine is just one example. You just don't get it and until you are in the situation you won't. IMO we need to leave this page and head back to our own territory. The general public has never heard our voices and it was foolish to think these folks would either. We will not find help from these people on this page, that is clear to see. Why were we brought here to begin with? Connie and Presley issues? Sometimes likes go with likes. Sometimes drug addicted folks abuse and their husbands/wives are also drug addicts. Sometimes sociopaths seek each other out too...could very well be that SC connie etc are all just peas from the same pod. Why are we focusing on them? They publicly said AMPP did not help them, they want nothing to do with us. We made a larger mistake in supporting Julia Fletcher and Maria Melinn, but dwelling on all that is not going to help. We have a ton of moms in the witness protection program who have been abused since their public info was posted with Lawless. That is where our focus needs to be. We have enough drama without digging up the old.
DeleteYOU are judgmental. YOU presume to know something about my life experience.
DeleteHere's a news flash for you, YOU don't get it.
I have an opinion. My opinion is that you are a perpetual victim, by choice. When you or any other 'victim' says things like "You just don't get it and until you are in the situation you won't." you show just how willing you are to STAY a victim. Just to be clear, there is no law that says I have to be sympathetic to you because of the choices you've made or to your "cause".
If you don't like my opinion, please don't hesitate not to read it. What you think of me or whether you decide to stay a victim your entire life, isn't going to change my opinion or the outcome of my life.
Very well said NBTDT~
ReplyDeleteI'm on SC's side and Roo can just kick rocks. I know Presley and she refused to talk to her native American side of the family. She never called her female elders even when shed had our numbers. Groupwatcher467
ReplyDeleteCare to explain what they could have done for her Groupwatcher? I don't have a clue what you are talking about here.
DeleteAnd while you may not agree with Roo, and may indeed side with what Shane has said, I fully support the rights of anyone to come here and voice an opinion. Even opinions and statements I don't agree with.
It's sad when people cut off their family, but there may have been reasons. I just have no idea. Any info that will shed light on this is appreciated.
The funny things you find when you bing that shit, or google.
ReplyDeleteNothingbettertodotodayDecember 30, 2012 at 12:05 PM
"As regards the AMPP women, I don't have a problem with advocates against domestic violence. However, I have no patience for women that continue a relationship and have children with a man they know to be violent. When the relationship ends, by what right do they cry foul and deny the children access to the fathers?"
First of all, no chip on my shoulder whatsoever, you've mistaken me for someone else, perhaps that was your precious buttercup shane? Do you realize how many GOOD fathers that don't try to obliterate the mother out of the children's lives? Your pal shane is one of them. Did he have to go to the lengths he has so that his younger daughter doesn't get to see her sister or mother? Do you think that this child doesn't have pain over this? Do you think that this child is being any more harmed by her mother than crowe has done to prevent any visitation? UNREAL! I've already said my peace about Presley, guess that wasn't good enough for you and shame, had to start picking apart AMPP now because poor little fella wasn't getting his attention or dipey changed.
You've never seen a case where the father was given custody if there was criminal charges DV or sexual against him? Have you SEEN Claudine Dombrowski's case? Her ex had several charges against him including the one that put her into premature labor when she had her daughter. Or mine for that matter, my chid's sexual aubse WAS substantiated by CPS etc. She is now 14 and she knows what her father did to her and she hates him for it. But it's so hard to believe huh?
Myth of False Sexual Abuse Allegations in Divorce
http://ssw.umich.edu/about/profiles/saunddan/Custody-Evaluators-Beliefs-About-Domestic-Abuse-Allegations-Final-Tech-Report-to-NIJ-10-31-11.pdf
....contested custody cases should be being decided overwhelmingly in favor of protective mothers because most of the fathers are abusive, but 70% of the cases result in custody or joint custody to the father.
http://timesupblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/department-of-justice-report-demands.html
Now you say you have not patience for women that go back etc. Of course you do! Most of society does not understand, unless you've actually experienced this yourself, I guess it's fair to say you woulnd't or can't understand or empathize, we're used to that. I guess there wouldn't even be AMPP if there wasn't a problem would they?
The reasons that women stay with an abuser are as varied as the women themselves. Even when a woman does muster up the courage to leave, she frequently returns to the relationship due to limited options, guilt, feeling like she still loves the abuser and numerous other reasons. The average abused woman leaves her relationship up to seven times before making the final break. Instead of judging her as weak, society as a whole needs to step up and offer more support when she first decides to leave.
You need to remove your "Shane Goggles", because this thinking is part of the problem with DV victims and sexual abuse victims in family court and how society views us. Ever cross your mind that what you say is hurtful and painful as a mother of a sexually abused child, as a dv survivor and a child sexual abuse survivor? Or is that your purpose? It worked, happy now?
Thank you once again for solidifying our place in this world and this cause. We're not man haters, most the mothers we have are now with good, supportive men, myself and Claudine included. It's not our fault that fathers abuse and kill more than mother in "custody battles". Don't shoot the messengers.
But that's right AMPP is a hate group, yes, we hate ABUSERS, all forms. In your world, false allegations are the norm, in mine, that is not the case.
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DeleteFirst of all, get your own screen name. Spinning mine reflects your lack of independence and strength.
Secondly, statements preceded by "you need to" or "your don't understand" reflect that chip you say you don't have. You certainly don't know enough about me to sit in judgement of what I "need to do". In fact, your defensiveness and willingness to attack me reflects your own insecurity re: your view of the matter.
Thirdly, SC is not my pal, I don't know him. I don't know anything about him or his relationship with Presley and I don't care. The point is that Presley made an accusation.
There is no support that the accusation is true, Joey posted it, so did AMPP. Anybody that repeats that kind of accusation based solely on hearsay is out of line at least and may be a violation of law. Let's not forget, Joey was convicted of a felony for doing just that to someone else.
Lastly: a woman can only be a true victim once, after that they are only victims if they chose to be. There are consistent postings here from AMPP reps bashing and competing with "fathers rights" groups for Bill Windor's affection. I didn't make it up - AMPP is responsible for that opinion.
Now: If my opinions hurt your feelings, please feel free to go cry about it in a more sympathetic forum.
I just remembered - that comment I made in December was after reading about a woman, who claimed that her husband hit her and caused her to loose a pregnancy. She left and came back. She got pregnant again, had the baby and they divorced.
DeleteIf she had reported the incident to police, he might have been charged with murder and gone to prison. But, no she laid down with him again and had a baby with a man she says was violent. How does that make sense to any reasonable person? Why would anybody bring a kid into that situation? (AMPP moms - those are rhetorical questions, don't bother to attempt an explanation)
Then again, who knows if she is telling the truth about DV? Maybe she was just pissed off and is using the kid to hurt him. Either way, she has no right to deny the kid access to it's father.
OK - I'm done on this topic - I am neither for or against mothers or fathers rights. I am all for the welfare of the kids, who need both parents, that aren't fighting.
Easy Groupwatcher, there is no need for Roo to kick rocks. it doesn't matter which side you think is right you give both the right to speak their peace.
ReplyDeleteOH the horror!! NOT calling on her elders!! I'm part Native too and that's some real Billshit right there. I know my "elders" would never turn their back on me for that stupidity.
DeleteI agree spawn. Both sides are allowed to speak here, but attacks on another person because of what they say just aint right.
DeleteThere is a big red X in the top right corner that takes you out of here if you can't keep it a disagreement and agree to disagree.
I believe it is possible to make a point and argue your beliefs and your opinions without directly attacking a person.
But hey, that's just me....
Roo, did Presley 'call on her elders' ? Or are you saying they ignored her when she did ask for help?
DeleteI don't know enough about Presley, other than her boundless support for Connie, and her use of similar phrases and tactics. Her choice in Joey and Crystal and Connie left me thinking she is just plain lost.
@Oceans I don't know and truthfully don't care, does it matter at this point? With her and her father's problems that they've decided to take to the WWW and associate w/certain individuals and drag most of us into it, it's really sad to me.
DeleteAs a mother and a survivor I deeply offended and hurt over the comments made. But unless you've been tied up and sodomized while 5 months pregnant I guess no one will know where you're coming from. Especially insensitive people that think that they know it all. The more I look into things said from some the more regret and pain I have coming to this blog.
So yeah, no worries, I will let you all be and let the others know as well. We know where we are not wanted. Too bad it had to be the one person who had to start up this shit today, go figure, the one who will fight with everything in his wallet to keep a child from her mother. Talk about vexatious litigant.
So there you go SC, you can stay here and whine about all the people (your daughter) who have done you wrong. I for one cannot stand your ass and I hope that the day comes when your other daughter will grow up and hate you just as much as your oldest and IF the abuse is true, you're in for rude awakening along with your groupies.
"Remember that your children are not your own, but are lent to you by the Creator." - The Mohawks
Sorry you feel like you need to leave Roo, I have enjoyed the varied opinions and the shared laughter at the pity Pie that is Bill.
DeleteBe well, and come back any time you want. Personally, I don't think anyone benefits from a custody war online, and was only asking because I find Presley and her lack of a story that I know, interesting in the contradictions.
Where is it that you don't feel wanted ROO, because we're not joining in on SC bashing? I don't understand any of this.
Delete@ Roo: people that think they know it all are particularly irritating to those of us who really do know it all. Right? Boggles the mind that AMPP posters on this thread think they are the only ones that have ever suffered abuse. Beyond comprehension that any body not associated with AMPP could be a survivor and might be speaking from experience.
DeleteOk, quick time out and scoreboard check.
DeleteI and I alone run this blog. There is no teams, no groups and no stated causes here. Certainly there are some "regulars" that post on here but no one speaks for anyone else on here but themselves.
Shane is a big boy, and I'm sure the AMPP's have their big girl panties on. If they want to fight to the death on here, they are both more than free to do that. The traffic on this blog is very high right now so no doubt others will jump into the fight. But in no way, shape or form will it change my original stance that I'm not into either cause in the mothers/fathers rights battle. I think the terminology is to high on both sides, but either way its not my fight.
Now, I did go after the tin foil triplets but let me explain why. When I do that, my animosity towards them has to do with one thing and one thing alone....putting their child's name, picture, and story out there on the internet. That doesn't mean I take a side in their custody battle, it just makes me so mad I might throw my beer to think that these poor children might grow up someday to read this crap. I mean can you imagine, one day reading on the internet your name, picture and a bunch of people commenting over how and why you were sexually abused? That is child abuse, no matter what the circumstances are and I will attack any and everyone who uses that method.
I don't understand it either Anon, but Roo is an adult, and can decide if she wants to spend time on a blog. It can be too painful, or too contrary to what she believes.
DeleteI support her right to speak her peace, and to leave when she wants to. I have enjoyed having new folks here, but the internet is a big place people can wander the halls laughing or screaming if they choose to, or hang out somewhere like here for a bit and move on.
It's Roo's choice, and Ginger's blog, and I really don't get a say anyway. :)
Yeah and what Ginger said about using children and leaving them the kind of legacy that presley's sister and Connie's daughter have on the internet.
DeleteI know kids google their own names. Way too early, possibly the first day they get to use the internet. They google their friends names. Can you imagine the pain this will cause?
I have been saying this for years! It is abuse, it is wrong, and these parents should be in jail for doing this to these children.
I agreed endlessly on that issue. But if the trips are to be blamed for doing wrong by their child/sister how is that SC is innocent on this one? He's continued this online fight with his daughter, dragging others along the way into it.
DeleteThen comes on here today to cause discourse for the purpose of his own selfishness, I mean the focus was Pie Daddy, not SC, correct?
If AMPP is no better than Dauben than you might say that someone who loves their child SO much would continue the crap (and I'm talking about his younges)he's NO better than what the trips did.
Don't you think if the kid is smart enough to google names she might find this blog, view the comments? Swing that judgmental pendulum the other way. See how it can work both ways?
That's how to be "unbiased" and "neutral" is about. I'm not asking anyone to pick sides or be my bff, my big girl panties are always on, but what's right is right.
Does anyone here believe that the youngest hates anyone in her family? Do you think it's healthy and fair for her to possibly read remarks about her family? This may all backfire on daddy-0 one day. If there's one lesson that SC should learn from this experience is that children do NOT stay little forever, they grow up and they can form their own opinions. So in the future when little one sees all the hate about her mother and sister it's not going to be pretty. Savvy?
I have enjoyed this blog and making videos up until today. I mistakenly thought we were all adults here, my bad.
So a big apology to MR. Big, forgive me of my transgressions that have wronged you so that you are compelled to try and get others on the AMPP bashing train.
You're probably the one that told pie man that presley etc. were admins on AMPP, weren't you? Even over the big world wide web I can see your transparency. I wouldn't put it past him that he is in direct contact w/der Fürer, could YOU be the "reliable" source he had on the trips????
Maybe there will be ONE more video.
"Words are easy, like the wind; Faithful friends are hard to find." William Shakespeare
You're an extremely angry person Roo. Just like with Dauben, just like Farris and just like Pies-R-Us, everything runs smooth as long as no one asks questions but as soon as one does, the gloves come off. Sorry if I caused you to rip up your "I hate Lawless America" membership card. i seriously doubt the percentage of being correct its that high. And I thought Billy had thin skin. I don't recall him hoping children grow up to hate a parent, guess that its a new type of advocate these days. Let me guess, Cherokee.
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I had as many conversions with Pie man as I had with you. Zero.
DeletePresley is one case...dont know the case-- there are 58,000 kids in this country ordered into unsupervised contact w known abusers... those are the facts-- and I bet the number is higher and unreported
ReplyDeleteand pie man windsor is supported and being supported (literally) by the very people that put that plan into action-- the fathers rights militia groups-- those are the dads that would rather kill a kid than pay support- those are not real fathers to me- those are pond scum-- and so is the pie man for selling his soul to the devil to harm kids and moms
ReplyDeleteI think the pie master is more interested in money than in who gives it to him. While it may indeed be father's rights groups, I think based only on the rumors, that he fleeced individuals more than groups. He takes flyer miles, vouchers, cash and even pie in trade for access and staying off a hit list.
DeleteI just don't think he takes the time to play a long game, or to really support anyone but himself.
All my own opinion- gee I hate having to state the obvious that it's just my own opinion.
@ Oceans: thanks, I was just getting ready to make that point.
Deleteno problemo NBTDT, glad I could save you the typing. ;)
DeleteFathers rights groups? Exactly where does it say that he gets money from any group except for people that can't afford it. He blasted father's rights groups first. Unless groups have a new pie recipe, he won't touch them.
DeleteFYI---Safe Kids International, Kathleen Russell and Cindy Dumas group STILL support all three tinfoil trips. So why don't you go post on their fb page etc. about your gripes with false allegations?
ReplyDeleteWhy would I? I don't go out and hunt the tinfoils down. I come here to chat about the nonsense and idiocy all over the web that in one way or another is/was linked to Joey.
DeleteI like the people here, and don't see any reason for me to go elsewhere just to annoy someone on their FB page. If they support CONnie, they will eventually get burned. Seen it happen every time so far. You probably have no clue how many websites and blogs she has wiped out because they crashed after supporting her. I do.
I would think everyone would have an issue with false allegations. Right?
Yes Oceans, 2 of Cindy Dumas's older sons speak up about how abusive and brainwashing their mother was to them. We're not to believe the older two but believe the youngest.
DeleteAnon 8:33 , see I tend to research the stories I get involved in, and I would be troubled by that. I would tend to throw it all out and start with the know facts and timelines. CIndy Dumas is not someone I know anything about, but from what you have said, I would probably ignore what she says in favor of verified facts, and actual testimony by the children.
DeleteShe sounds like a woman with problems if 2 of her children claim she tried brain washing. There is plenty of that going on, and it's hard to tell what the facts are without spending time on it.
I don't really care to give these women my time. The reason I know so much about CONnie and not say Presley, is because I got dragged into it. There are just so many horrific and sad stories on both sides, and really nothing I am in a position to help change.
Liars are f'd up, and liars in court are even more so. But I don't plan on posting anywhere but here.
That seems like a fair assessment of the situation, but alas, when the abuse claims surfaced, and prior to the father getting custody of the boys, the older boys stated, which is on record they witnessed the abuse by their father of their brother. Now, since the father has had custody, the older boys recanted their testimony.
DeleteAlso, just fyi, Damon has been on Fox 11 series called Lost in the system. google it. The father is interviewed, as well. There might be two or three parts to that one, but you all might just eat your words saying that about the mother. Attorney Robin Sax said the step mother was coaching the father, and he appeared to be lying about the abuse.
is on record they witnessed the abuse by their father of their brother.
Deletewhen they were kidnapped by Dumas. They admit now their mother brainwashed them and forced them to state those things on the record. I believe the older two over the youngest who was young enough to be permanently influenced. They are telling the truth.
Sounds like a very sad story no matter what is true. I may have heard or read about that story before.
DeleteI hope these children find peace, and love in their lives. I hope their parents can live with what they have done.
Children can and do bond with someone who is abusive. Now I can only speak about my case. My ex calls cps like some people would call the old recorded time number lol. They would come to my child's school and speak to her before I would get a call. My child would say nothing bad happens at my house except dad is nasty mean threatens mom, etc etc. All BEFORE I knew there was an open case.
DeleteThen child is kidnapped by dad, tells dcf she lied while with me. Children will do what they have to do in order to protect themselves. Maybe this is what the older boys did? When I have made allegations of abuse/neglect against my ex, I don't use my child to further those allegations. You think bill is bad? You should see 'The Shack' lol. What is the shack you ask? That is where my ex lived and where my child was forced to stay when she had to go on overnight unsupervised visits with him.
I do agree that children should not be drug into adult messes, but in the same note at some point we owe it to them to address poor choices by the other side (like the shack in my case - and that is just one in a long line of many thing he has done).
I would say that I have no problem and understand completely if the parent wants to take it online, just dont say the child's name, don't put up the pictures of them and dont disclose the inmate details in public. I just think that crosses the line and nullifies your argument in my mind. I mean I can't take you seriously if I reading your website and looking at pictures of the child and everything.
DeleteAnonymousJanuary 25, 2013 at 9:13 AM "Then child is kidnapped by dad, tells dcf she lied while with me. Children will do what they have to do in order to protect themselves. Maybe this is what the older boys did? "
DeleteDumas kidnapped the children for 3 years. They did not have friends, go to school nor rarely go outside in those 3 years. Those boys were brainwashed to an extent by Dumas, the youngest was easiest to be influenced permanently. The older two were old enough to understand what was happening to them. You seem so depserate to believe the youngest of Dumas and call the older ones liars in order to keep your fantasy Dumas could not be the abuser. She is currently abusing the youngest she again kidnapped and placed hiding again with no friends, no school. The words you hear the youngest saying is not his words, its exactly how Dumas has spoke for years. He's following her mantra in order to protect himself once again. But that would be too much for you to imagine because you must support her efforts.
I believe the older two, they're now young adults. They attempted to speak with Sax at length and Robin brushed them off. What does that say about her agenda for Fox news?
AMPP is BATTERED MOTHER'S Rights, big difference. No one ever claimed at AMPP that mothers don't abuse, statistics and life experience has taught me that men/fathers abuse more in cases of domestic violence. You sure that's all you have to say? Let me put it to you this way.
ReplyDeleteFAMILY COURT SUCKS for everyone involved, espcially for children that are alienated from their mother in cases of violence. When a couple disagrees on custody issues with NO DV issues it can be a living hell for all concerened, especially with the lawyers, GAL's, Psychologists, Mediators, FOC, etc. etc. lining their pocket books with money from each party.
BUT. . . when you put a DV Victim in family court with her abuser, it can be DEADLY! And that's all I have to say.
Did I say AMPP. No. I said mothers rights groups and fathers rights groups are ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteOk can we all get back to the Pie Boy now? I am sure he is getting a kick out of the problems over here now. Those cases are not going to be proven true or false here.
ReplyDeleteRoo, what part of you is native? Your toe? Presley did not look to us for support. We waited for her calls after she asked for our numbers. We are still waiting. Groupwatcher467
ReplyDeleteCome find out what part.
ReplyDeleteROO come to the other page and giggle with us. It's all cool, you'll never convince everyone of everything no matter what you've lived through. You guys already knew we bashed a couple of moms over here when you first came over but we clearly have never raised Crowe up on any mountain. He says what he wants to and Ginger doesn't ban anyone. I don't believe his daughter Presley (her story changed wayy to much to be the truth...O but that's about all there is. Stick around, we like you k?!
DeletePresley did make one call to another family member and that was to accuse. Maybe she'll post to explain. Groupwatcher
ReplyDeleteGroupwatcher Presley doesn't post here that I know of. Go to her fb page and chit chat there. I am sure you will get all the answers you are looking for. Doesn't sound like anyone here can help.
DeleteWe would have preferred to communicate with Presley since she is family. Groupwatcher467
ReplyDeleteNot on Facebook but in person. Groupwatcher467
ReplyDeleteOk, if you want to speak with her in person, then why are you looking for her here? You said at 9:59 "Maybe she'll post to explain." This is no different than FB. You are not making any sense. She isn't on here, why would she be? This blog outed her precious Joey. If you really want to talk to her, go find her in a place she frequents. Just sayin.
DeleteNot looking for a reply, it was a rhetorical question.
Like I said before, Presley has our number but we don't have hers. She didn't respond to my messages and I know that Presley is here and there. She asked to have lunch when she was out in my area but it was all a rouse. Presley's maternal side of the family has been against us from day one. Go figure. Groupwatcher467
ReplyDelete@ Groupwatcher: I am sorry for your loss. And I am also sorry that most people in this culture do not understand the importance and wisdom of the elders. I pray that the spirit will move Presley to connect with her roots.
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