David Webb is the Joey apologists that stuck by Joey's side all the way to the end. Yes he did cover the trial itself in a balanced manner but leading up to it, he acted as the mouthpiece for Joey as his stories always reflected the Joey Dauben slant. He even went along with the Joey/Presley "we are about to get married" lie and watched it blow up in his face as she didn't even bother staying for the trial. Anyway, he makes a few good observations, but on the whole he still doesn't understand who Joey Dauben is.
David's opening statement says it all: "After sitting through a surreal, six-day child sexual assault trial recently I came away with the knowledge that the least likely of people can fall victim to disaster if they are foolish enough to consume alcohol with a minor who legally cannot give consent to sexually activity."
-least likely? fall victim? Its alcohol's fault?
"It seemed impossible that the youthful, charming Dauben who came from a humble background and seemed so driven to be someone someday could succumb to a fate so sinister that it would destroy his life."
-humble is an understatement. Why was this impossible?
"To the best of my knowledge Dauben was straight, but apparently anything can happen late at night when two people are drinking alcohol alone."
"It didn’t matter that the teenager, now 20, testified he willingly participated in the sexual activity, and that he came from a broken, troubled home that probably contributed to him being alone late at night drinking with an adult 12 years older than him"
-ummmm, what a horrible statement. If we are to believe the victim's testimony I would not go as far as say he "willingly participated", I would say the boy wanted out of there but he just didn't say no loud enough to stop Joey. At no point in time did I hear anything that sounded like the boy wanted this. What the hell does the broken home have to do with him being alone that night? IT WAS A CHURCH CAMP!!!!! It was the responsibly of the organizers to oversee the boys that night, not the parents.
"The Texas youth did not make an “outcry” about the sexual contact with Dauben until the summer of 2008, a year after it happened, when he told a friend, who told a pastor, who told the youth’s father."
-yeah but he did tell someone shortly after the event, and actually this is fairly common in most rape cases that the victim, especially a young boy who had a hard time understanding what happened,, would be scared to come forward.
"Another peculiar element of the saga emerged when I learned a sizable number of people had complained that the blogger unfairly and unjustly accused them of sexual assault and other crimes and improprieties. A group of people went so far as to start a blog where they could support each other and vent their rage about Dauben’s outrageous reporting."
I and I alone started this blog and I have never been accused by Joey Dauben of anything, much less sexual assault Can you get anything right David, I mean anything?
"When Dauben took the stand against his lawyer’s advice, the jury obviously saw a deeply troubled man who might be suffering from paranoid delusions and denial. He repeatedly broke down and cried on the stand. It was unclear whether Dauben’s mental problems began prior to the crime he committed six years ago or if they began later, slowly festering afterwards as fear enveloped him about the crime."
-Ahh, finally a sentence we can all agree with
"It’s hard to make sense of Dauben’s relentless, reckless pursuit of villains unless his fear about being discovered led him to it in an effort to divert suspicion from himself. In turn, the subjects of his reports and others in the community probably became fearful of him, leading to complaints to law enforcement authorities and the Ellis County charges. It became a vicious cycle that eventually ensnared Dauben."
-the first sentence is true, the second has no evidence to support that claim.
"Some of the last words Dauben said to me in the courtroom before the bailiff led him off in handcuffs were, “I’m going to take responsibility for this.”
-Joey has no idea what the world responsible means, so how can he take it?
Ohhh, I forgot, the Webbinator also dropped another blame bomb in saying that Joey claimed to have been molested by other boys and then an older man.
ReplyDeleteHe also says that Joey admitted to him that he was very intoxicated that night, further proof that Joey perjured himself on the witness stand as he claimed he just had a swig
I don't remember that line from Jamie Foxx's song?? No mention of blaming it on the AAAaaaa-cohol for child RAPE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jw24LbeV-w
Delete"It’s hard to make sense of Dauben’s relentless, reckless pursuit of villains unless his fear about being discovered led him to it in an effort to divert suspicion from himself."
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Yes, this is the only observation that is agreeable. Everything else, clear Joey. No accountability, blame others,& side step. I have not read here, that Joey ever claimed he was abused. Did I miss it, or is that just another diversion to excuse his illegal choice.
this is the first time its actually been made public, its been a rumour and hinted at by Joey at time but never actually said.
DeleteOr was it Joeys way of admitting guilt, but projecting it off as if 'he' was the victim. He liked to play victim. It's a thought.
DeleteI think Webb knew about this supposed abuse before the trial, Yeah I do think Joey through it out there along with the drunk thing as a way to make himself the victim but look at Webby stepping up to the plate and using his patented victim card on behalf of Joey......he was drunk, the boy had a broken home, Joey was abused as a boy
Delete@ Anon: there has been discussion several times over the last few years that Joey had been sexually abused as a child.
Delete@ Anon: I don't recall if I heard/read any of the discussion prior to 2007. But, I do recall discussion prior to public knowledge of pending charges. I get your point and agree: Joey was making every effort to deflect responsibility and blame the victim.
Delete@ nothing, were these discussions before the church trip? Cause if not, it could be a guilt mechanism.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes @Ginger, most perps blame, they rarely stand up and say YES I am guilty. Unfortunately, people that support them don't help their plight by taking away the severity of the crime and pushing it back on to the victim, in some way by blaming something else, other than the perp.
Overall, I think Webb did another good job. That is his take and it's more balanced than he's been in the past.
ReplyDeleteHe may have incorrectly given credit to all of us for starting the blog, but he didn't call us a snake pit. And, he got it right about the purpose.
The only other exception I take is that alcohol caused the event. In my younger years, I drank way more than than I should have at times, but never once considered or was interested in having sex outside my natural orientation. And, it wasn't from lack of exposure or opportunity. Nor I have I ever known anybody else that changed orientation due to alcohol.
yeah I have been interbred on occasion, never once did that give me the urge to go rape a young boy. It usually just makes me sleepy. If you rape a boy drunk, you wanted to rape him sober. All alcohol does is remove your filters.
Deleteinterbred? hee hee I love computers and their automatic corrections.
DeleteI saw an insurance adjuster call for "perineum" shingles instead of "premium" in a quote once . . . ha ha.
Anyway, I can generally agree with you NBTDT, but seriously the "to the best of my knowledge Dauben was straight, but apparently anything can happen late at night when two people are drinking alcohol alone" statement makes my blood boil. I will refrain from cursing on the blog, but if Webb were in the same room with me, I would have MORE than a few choice words about the implications of his statement there. Getting drunk DOES NOT change somebody's character, if anything it brings out their true character. Unless they are sooo trashed that they are practically passed out to the point that somebody can abuse them. Clearly that wasn't the case with Joey.
Oh and I take issue with the responsibility statements. Sure Joey said that, but I take it Webb somehow buys it. Really? Joey says he was drunk when something did or didn't happen, but he told the jury a different story. He says he's going to take responsibility, but he couldn't even admit to the crime during sentencing after he'd basically been caught. I'm pretty sure the first step to taking responsibility is actually fessing up.
thats what I get for trying to spell words I can't, auto correct exposes me
DeleteI'm just glad it was the auto correct and not the word you were actually going for. ha ha.
DeleteSpeaking of bad word choices, I was kinda grossed out by Webb's use of the word "sultry" at the end of his article. And, I must admit that "hot and humid" wouldn't have been much better. It's just a detail and mental picture that I don't care to think about. After all, we are discussing rape.
@ G/snap: hahaha - I knew what you meant re: interbred. And and I agree with your comment @ 10:28. There's a lot going on here.
DeleteFirst, Joey changes his story based on his audience. He told the jury he wasn't out of control drunk to support that he was in control of his actions and didn't do the deed because he wants their acquittal. Then after the conviction Joey offers the I was too drunk excuse to Webb for his behavior because he cares about Webb's opinion of him. Getting a straight story (no pun intended) out of Joey is like trying to nail Jello to the floor.
In confiding in Webb about prior abuse, Joey seems to be suggesting that he was acting out. I'm sorry - not buying that excuse for someone at the age of 26.
On the other hand, let's say Joey was acting out. That didn't start at age 26. Acting out due to abuse would have started not long after the abuse. I've maintained all along that this was not Joey's first experience with another male - it like defies the laws of physics to believe this was the first time Joey just up and decided to have sex with a boy. I think others have not come forward because a) just like the camp boy, they think it was their fault, b) boys are more likely not to report than girls, c) they were more willing partners.
I'm not passing judgement on Joey's sexual orientation in any way. I just think a lot of Joey's problems are a result of his repression of natural urges out of fear and the inability to resolve the conflict within his own head.
As for the accused and supporters of the accused blaming the victim: I think that is a natural inclination for people that may not trust their own power of discretion, with or without alcohol. They are thinking "there but for the grace of God, go I".
Ok am I reading this right? Where is Webb's brain?
ReplyDeleteAnd when Webb points out that this was shocking and seemed impossible that someone like Joey could do this, he clearly doesn't know about the back story to Joey 2009 arrest and his involvement with Meissner. Once you realize Joey was working with that man, then you not only completely believe this story but you have to ask yourself how many other stories are out there?
ReplyDeleteTrue. But lets not forget that Meissner wasn't convicted of the charges. I dont think Meissner would risk his freedom. Don't under any circumstance see that as me defending Meissner just stating what I think
DeleteOne thing I agree with Webb about:
ReplyDelete"I found the thought of a political conspiracy a little far-fetched, but I considered the possibility that law enforcement officials had put a little extra effort in investigating an allegation against someone who rankled them."
I don't doubt that Ellis County put a little more gusto into their investigation because Joey "rankled them". But, they didn't slam Joey as hard as they could have; there are other charges that can be brought against Joey, but weren't.
yeah I would agree with him that the Ellis County guys didn't mind him going away, but in this case it took a reluctant Texas Ranger to finally get involved to even investigate it. It actually proves the exact opposite of his claim.
DeleteOk... I haven't even read all of this and I don't know that I can. But my blood is boiling and Webby is going to get the ass kicking of his life, he'll be tying more than knots in his panties when I'm done with him.
ReplyDeleteWhat is this? THIS QUOTE BELOW? Blaming the victim? Webby you are 1 sick jackass or is it a JILLass, not sure under 'your' circumstances! It is SO clear Webb does not know NOR care to understand how sexual predators work!
"It didn’t matter that the teenager, now 20, testified he willingly participated in the sexual activity, and that he came from a broken, troubled home that probably contributed to him being alone late at night drinking with an adult 12 years older than him"
Hence my earlier comment. I personally think we should permalink this to every webpage story Webb as ever done. Let his publishers and editors see how he reports.
DeleteI'm so miffed at self for feeling any empathy for Webb last week during his trial "coverage"!
ReplyDeleteWhat an Assrag!
Good to know alcohol is at the root of it all.... Obviously, there was some involved during the composition of this latest blog post of Webb's....
Not wasting another minute reading his blather about anything.
Snake pit? Yep....HISSSSSSS
I think Mr. Webb's mistake is considering Joey as if he were anyone else. I made the same mistake for years. I was deceived. I don't think it was entirely because Joey wanted to deceive me, but partly because that's simply his nature. I consider myself to be a somewhat competent observer of human behavior, and usually read people's intents and motivations almost with ease. I always knew there was something I was missing in my understanding of Joey, but never knew what it was. Still, I really don't know what it is. But I think it's a mistake to think of him the way you'd think of any average person.
ReplyDeleteWhen I first heard of the accusation, in November, my first thought was that the accuser was spreading rumors and making trouble. My first thought was not going to be that Joey did this. With reconsideration, and with new facts observed, as time went on I increasingly thought he was guilty, reaching Mr. Webb's conclusion that Joey was compromised by alcohol. Later, he started going crazy online and it was a fairly obvious sign of stress and, in his way of thinking, a defense being manufactured.
As the trial approached, I started thinking about things more intently, seeing what I'd been missing, and reaching more disturbing conclusions. Most of the time I was with Joey he was running for office or pursuing some other objective. He was obviously different from average, but that was before the crazy started. In a sense, this is what Joey always wanted, to be the center of public discussion. Still, I'm not here to give out Joey's secrets, but it wouldn't be a surprise that I found him to be amoral and lacking of conscience. At the time, I attributed it to a lack of emotional depth, with unresolved emotional pain being a possible cause. There were very few times I could get him to discuss things in depth, and even then I could tell something was hidden. I'm reaching beyond my qualification, but, as speculation, I think something happened around the age of 11. I don't know what it was, or even the nature of it. It could have been abuse, or someone's death, or trouble in school; I really don't know. There seems to be a scar around that age that changed him. I later saw as evidence of this old photographs that seem to indicate a change around that age. When realizing this, I started to think his needs were beyond talking things out with me, and that he needed professional help.
-comment too long, continued below-
He often called me his conscience. I brought things to his attention that were either wrong or questionable. Only recently did I realize that this may have been an admission that he needed an external conscience. More disturbing is that he increasingly hid wrong and questionable acts from me. He had an external conscience, and didn't want to use it. When challenged, he would appear contrite, rather convincingly, and then be able to turn it off like a light switch. He'd face his most challenging problems, and show determination to do better, then an instant later return to whatever else was going on, as if nothing had happened at all. At the time I didn't realize how scary that was. Even on his worst of days, the day after that night at the campground, when I got there later that morning there was nothing at all, no indication of a problem; it was as if nothing at all had happened.
DeleteTrying to understand human behavior is a truly miserable pursuit, but it's something I need to do. Joey was one of my teachers. He taught me about compensation. People grossly leak information, particularly about what they most want to hide. Lack sincerity? Harp on sincerity in others. Have unwanted sexual inclinations? Compulsively pursue activity demonstrating the inclinations you wish for, while also claiming a sense of superiority above those who openly pursue the inclinations you wish you didn't have. Guilty of a horrible crime? Accuse others of that crime and become and advocate for victims of that crime. (Attacking judges and prosecutors, accusing them of the crime as a way to manufacture a defense, is just crazy.) People say many things, but what they go on and on about shows something about the states of their minds. Trying to hide something has the counter-productive effect of focusing your attention on it, putting your secret at the front of your mind, where it's more likely to leak out.
This story needs to be told more comrehensively by someone more qualified. A deeper look at Joey's history, the Meissner Mess, the workings of his mind more expertly analyzed - there's a book waiting to be written here, and it's a book I would read.
Yeah I would agree with you on this much more than I would the "he was drunk and sh*t happens" defense. I think you are right, there is a very deep complex story that is Joey Dauben that has never been told, and its really up to him to tell it. He could tell what exactly happened to him and how he felt himself start to change and then eventually end up where he is now. Saying he was drunk is such a lame cop out to something much deeper, but then again thats what I have come to expect from ole Webby.
DeleteYou know, for instance, part of the reason Joey might have had a breakdown when the boy went into details of his rape is because Joey had flashbacks to when it happened to him. I could certainly see something like that going on here.
@ Voice: your post was very thoughtful, I agree with all that you said. It's too bad Joey made the choices to ignore what you and Gingersnap offered him. To validate some of what you said, someone I know that knew Joey well made similar observations that you did in part 1 - that person was missing something in figuring Joey out, something was off but could never really put a finger on it and Joey never really seemed to be close to any body
DeleteOH what did you say to me Webb during our 1.5 hour phone call NEVER EVER TO REPEAT because even Joey's parents didn't know about it? That you were told in confidence BY Joey and Joey asked YOU never to repeat it yet you did - to me and on your BLOG!
ReplyDeleteWhile I see I kept your confidence and never told anyone what you stated - as I ASSURED YOU I would never do.... I see YOU could not do the same. Amazing, these reporters say you can trust them 'off the record' until it suits their own 'purpose'. WOW Good thing I didn't disclose anything I wouldn't want to see in print.
I later learned Dauben, whose lawyer described him to the jury as “small and not strong,” had himself suffered molestation from older boys and possibly an adult when he was young, according to him.
and I would have never mentioned this part if Webb would have honored Joey's request for privacy regarding this. That is UNLESS Webb was lying to me. Hmmm
DeleteSo all I can see on Webby's girly blog is a bunch of blame the victim and a bunch of poor Joey excuses.
Webby - how pathetic. If you could only wrap your head around the fact Joey's brain was hard-wired by his parents to make excuses for him, never accept any accountability nor responsibility for anything in his life, a part of his life or what he even does in his life - then maybe you could STOP making excuses for Joey.
You're not helping IF those PSI investigator(s) are reading stuff like this. You may think you are but you're not. Like me it will probably just piss them off and the judge will add their views all into consideration. This is ridiculous
@Yappy: I'm not going into any details, but I have not violated any ethics. A lot has happened since you and I had our phone conversation that allowed me to write the passage in question. I treated you with respect and answered all of your questions, and I greatly regret that now. You have returned my kindness with insults ever since, and now you have committed the greatest treachery of all. I had permission to write what I did, but you did not have permission to violate the terms of the agreement you and I made on the phone. You obviously cannot be trusted. Please do not ever call me again.
ReplyDeleteREALLY? REALLY?
DeleteYou wrote it. I didn't and i would have never said anything if you kept it private. I find it HIGHLY doubtful Joey decided to admit this in court to his parents prior to his incarceration. Why don't you enlighten us to the full extent to your 'ethical ability' to discuss this now please? Elaborate.
There's a WHOLE lot I regret about you Webb but it has nothing to do with our conversation.
You come on here to respond to this BUT you don't give 1 pile of shit about the fact YOU HAVE BASICALLY ABUSED THE VICTIM AND BEATEN HIM INTO THE GROUND WITH YOUR DISGUSTING REVOLTING BLOG!
BLAMING HIM?
IF HE READS THAT DO YOU KNOW HOW HE'D BE FEELING AT THIS MOMENT? HATE (FOR HIMSELF) HATE FOR JOEY, ANGER, GUILT, EMOTIONALLY SCARRING.
YOU ARE SICK WEBB. EXTREMELY SICK
NO DOUBT IN MY MIND NOW WHATSOEVER - IN THE LEAST - THAT YOU HAVE SOME SICK SEXUAL DESIRE FOR JOEY. THERE'S NOTHING UNBIASED IN YOUR LATEST BLOG
YOU BASICALLY ATTACKED THE VICTIM IN A 'NICE' WAY BUT IT MAKES YOU NO LESS SICK THAN JOEY HIMSELF.
I'll be delighted never to speak to you again NOR did I ever imply I would phone you back. Did you actually THINK it would break my heart? Hmmmm
uuhhhhh errrrrrr LOL
Here:
DeleteDon't ever tell anyone this. Please keep it to yourself. I was told by Joey something he never wants anyone to know nor does his parents know about it either.
Then - blab blab blab about the issue wide-open on a blog?
That makes IT OK for you to divulge what you requested I keep secret but not ok for me to now discuss it SINCE it's no longer a secret? What did I do to break your trust? I guess what I've done is speak up about you telling ME when you really were not supposed to in the first place. SO HMMM WHO IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED MORE ????
Here's how I feel about it all (per I can't be trusted):
The ONLY way I believe would truly violate your trust is to go on Gingers blog and YAP about Joey being abused and tell everyone Webby just told me that during the phone call IN ADVANCE of you speaking up about it. I KEPT MY WORD and didn't disclose Joey's secret. You cannot attack me for being the messenger.
How is it still a secret when you were the one who wrote about it?
I'm baffled.
The bigger point to my ass-whooping Webby today is the FACT his article is ABUSIVE towards the victim in every way! There is NO journalistic integrity. This jerk-off doesn't even care to understand nor investigate how sexual predators work NOR understand they are all around us - with all types of nice, sweet personalities in disguise.
DeleteBlame the victim. WOW. Thank GOD for you Webby I AM NOT this boy's mother. You pray to Jesus tonight she doesn't get ahold of your sorry self. If it were my son, you'd be smacked sideways and given an atomic wedgie!
Damn it Ginger I need the lie buttons. @yappy LIKE LIKE LIKE
DeleteNOW ISN'T THIS AN INTERESTING POST FROM YAPPY TO SOMEONE WHO SHE BELIEVES POSTED SOMETHING THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO? DOUBLE-CROSS, YOU SAY. THIS PRETTY MUCH PROVES WHAT A HYPOCRITE YOU ARE, NOT TO MENTION REDNECK TRASH. YOU GAVE ME YOUR HUSBAND'S NAME, WHERE YOU LIVE AND OTHER INFORMATION, BUT I'M A GENTLEMAN. I'LL KEEP MY END OF THE BARGAIN, AT LEAST FOR NOW.
ReplyDeleteyappyJanuary 15, 2013 at 1:41 PM
Here XXXXX, I'll put my name to this!
YOU are a bitch! Now why don't you come on here or your own blog or a topix blog and give everyone Yappy's name, address, phone number and kids photos too while you're at it because that's how you seem to roll, pulling a Joey to slam me back.
HOW DARE YOU - ALL under the GUISE of a friendship last year, chatting about our kids, husbands, life, regular things - EVER EVER THINK you could USE anything I told you as a friend.
I was never speaking to any xxxxx REPORTER when you called me to chat. YOU USED my friendship, my trust, my PRIVATE conversations about LIFE and those in my life to GAIN inside information over me?
YOU HAVE PROVEN you cannot be trusted - the anon above is DEAD ON RIGHT ABOUT YOU!
You had NO right to betray me like that. But I'm sure you'll eventually abuse others you've 'friended' as well, but we'll leave their names out of this right? Right!
You need help but the way you fire back won't be to accept ANY accountability for how you received information or BETRAYING a former friend .. you'll just scream like Joey - like you did in this comment above "If you don’t want someone to use the information, perhaps you should have kept it to yourself. "
Everyone reading here understand that the earlier ANON posting is correct. You cannot trust xxxxx in any way. ASSUME at all times if you're speaking to her, she will use information against you when it SUITS her.
Feel free and fire back all you want xxxxx. If you think 'exposing' yappy will help your case, have at it. But then understand that WILL make you a female Joey in every way shape and form.
So a disclaimer from hereonin - at no time do you ever have ANY of my permission to USE ANYTHING gained by our 'friendly' non reporter conversations. Get it? Good because I have a feeling a judge would rake your ass over THAT issue without question.
Oh and NOTICE I didn't disclose any DIRT on your life? Hmmm yah, I won't lower myself to your level any day but I will call you out for playing a seriously dirty shameful game with people and their private lives!
OH AND LOVE WEBBYS THREATS!
ReplyDeleteI GAVE HIM MY HUSBANDS NAME AND WHERE WE LIVE?
LMAO
OK WEBBY
MY HUSBANDS NAME IS JOE AND WE LIVE IN HOUSTON.
OMGEEEEE anything else jackass?
ACTUALLY I RECORDED THE WHOLE CONVERSATION. WHILE IT'S 1.5 HOURS LONG CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO POST IT? PLEASE????? THANKS ;)
DeleteI WANT EVERYONE TO HEAR EVERYTHING.
THEN THERE'S NO SECRETS nor ABILITY TO THREATEN YAPPY IS THERE?
Ok, I know the estrogen is running high between you two but don't forget that lower case letters are our friends. Poor Jimmy's ears will be ringing after reading all this.
Deletelol
DeleteI'm YELLING AT DAVID BECAUSE HE'S A ROYAL ASS AND HE CAN'T HEAR ME ALL THE WAY FROM HOUSTON IN MY HOUSE WITH MY HUSBAND JOE!
Shush, that's a SECRET I DID NOT TELL WEBBY TO KEEP TO HIMSELF!!
I know, but think about poor Jimmy who is trying to read all this out loud
DeleteGo right ahead an post the recording. You represented yourself as a professional who had been involved in child advocacy so I shared something with you in confidence that seemed relevant. I was hoping to gain greater insight.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, you are obviously not a professional of any kind. You are a big trash mouth that got the other blog shut down. You apologized to Ginger Snap for doing it. All of you can blame me for getting the blog shut down all you want, but it was your big mouth that accomplished that.
"Off the record," which the information I shared with you was, means that it will not be attributed to the person who provided it in a publication. It doesn't mean I can't discuss it was someone else.
Yes, I asked you not to share the information or our phone call on Ginger Snap's blog, but you have proved your word is worthless.
I represented myself as a professional to you? Nawww I told you I was involved with abused children while I worked and no longer work. That's about it. OH and I told you when I was raped as a child too.
DeleteWas that the OTHER secret you were going to disclose to the blog?
So what's troubling you so much David? I'm not denying I SPOKE UP about WHAT YOU told me.
I said that IN THE CONTEXT OF WONDERING ABOUT YOUR ETHICS and stated how I THOUGHT joeys secret WAS TO REMAIN PRIVATE.
I think the REAL problem is - is the FACT YOU'VE NOW LOST ALL CREDIBILITY AS A REPORTER - WHERE JOEY CONFIDED IN YOU NOT TO tell anyone and YOU TOLD ME any wayyyyyy.
Back to my point. I STILL DID NOT DISCLOSE JOEY'S SECRET - YOU DID.
I'm asking again. HOW DID YOU GO FROM HAVING TO KEEP A SECRET TO REPORTING ON IT? YOU stated you have not violated anything NOR have I. I am a stay at home mom that had a chat with Webby, the gay reporter near Dallas on the phone on a Sunday night.
if you haven't violated any ethical boundaries DID JOEY GIVE YOU DIRECT APPROVAL TO BOTH TELL ME AND WRITE IT ON YOUR BLOG?
I don't think I've proved to be anything but CALLING SOMEONE ON THEIR BULLSHIT David ;)
But if it helps you sleep tonight after you drink yourself into a stupor - to call me worthless. Fine. You understand already that I'm very thick-skinned (won't whine nor cry about your name calling) unlike you.
I only ask to everyone reading to GO BACK TO THE ABOVE FULL BOLD POST to really understand HOW IT WAS WEBBY, not me who betrayed someone's trust.
WEBBY IF YOU DIDN'T THREATEN ME TO KEEP MY 'SECRETS' TO YOURSELF 'FOR NOW' I WOULDN'T HAVE DECIDED TO POST THE RECORDING -
YOU WANT TO PLAY - LETS PLAY :)
IN THE END -
YOU DISCLOSED SOMETHING YOU WERE TOLD NOT TO DISCLOSE.... IN HOPES I WOULDN'T DISCLOSE SOMETHING I WAS TOLD NOT TO..
AND YOU KNOW WHAT
I DIDN'T DISCLOSE IT - YOU told everyone about Joey's secret. NOT ME. So where the HELL is your problem?
I ONLY CALLED OUT ABOUT YOUR ETHICS
AND YOU ALSO ABUSED A RAPED TEEN TODAY WITH YOUR ARTICLE.
I WOULD LIKE TO THINK - KNOWING JUDGE LEGGOmeEGGOS (whatever his name is, you'd know)... WILL READ ALL OF THIS INCLUDING YOUR ARTICLE
AND THEN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HOW YOU OBVIOUSLY ATTENDED THE TRIAL IN FAVOR OF JOEY
AND HAVE NOW PROCEEDED TO FURTHER LIABLE AND ABUSE A RAPED TEEN ON BEHALF OF JOEY DAUBEN - CONVICTED CHILD RAPING SCUM
LIKE YOU DAVID - SCUM - WITH ENOUGH TALENT TO CLEVERLY DISGUISE your article enough so it was not a blatant abusive attack on the RAPED TEEN!
HAVE A GOOD SLEEP
I NEVER BETRAYED YOU DAVID
AT ALL
BECAUSE WHERE IN OUR CONVERSATION DID YOU EVER ASK ME THIS???
YAPPY CAN YOU ASSURE ME NOT TO GO ON GINGERS BLOG AFTER I DECIDE TO EXPOSE JOEY'S SECRET AND NOT CHALLENGE ME ON WHY I REVEALED THAT SECRET?
SO WHERE WAS THE BETRAYAL???
OH RIGHT
THE ONLY BETRAYAL WAS YOU TELLING ME WHAT JOEY SAID TO SHUT UP ABOUT.
I WONDER IF THE DAUBENS ARE WONDERING JUST WHAT ELSE YOU TOLD ME :)
nighty night
this other sentence of yours Webby
Delete. I was hoping to gain greater insight.
WHERE DID YOU DURING OUR CONVERSATION ACTUALLY TELL ME JOEY'S SECRET AND THEN PROCEED TO ASK MY PROFESSIONAL ADVICE AT ANY TIME REGARDING VICTIMS OF RAPE IN HOPES TO GAIN GREATER INSIGHT?
YOU DIDN'T - AT ALL. YOU ONLY WANTED TO SPILL THE BEANS
YOU KEEP ACTING AS IF I WAS THE ONE WHO EXPOSED JOEY'S SECRET AND THAT'S JUST PLAIN PATHETIC AND YOU KNOW IT
lol
Give it another shot. LOVE YOUR THREATS TOO.
Also, there is not a word in that column denigrating the victim. That's just another one of your lies and distortions.
ReplyDeleteUmmm we might need some clarification then on this statement:
Delete"It didn’t matter that the teenager, now 20, testified he willingly participated in the sexual activity, and that he came from a broken, troubled home that probably contributed to him being alone late at night drinking with an adult 12 years older than him"
Ok so I wasn't there so I will give you a chance to splain some things I might not have read about. Where did you get that the boy willingly participated. He acquiesced, but putting will in there is a big step I didn't get out of his testimony.
Second is what did his broken home have to do with being alone and a church camping trip? Its supposed to be a place where parents send their kids to be watched over by supposedly responsible adults like Joey.
Here I'mm a gunna whine. Doesn't ANYONE feel sorry for yappy for the simple fact I LIVE with a man named JOE (y)?
DeleteAnyone?
Come on...
Webby, YOUR article as far as I'm concerned is very biased towards JOEY and making endless excuses for a now convicted child rapist! Yet you SLAM THE VICTIM without question.
There's no getting around it, not by my perception and if you don't like MY HIGHLY CRITICAL opinion about YOUR article being exceptionally abusive towards a teen that was raped...
suck it up buttercup. NO ONE SAID I had to LOVE everything you wrote.
But there's whiney webby playing what he plays best.
NO WONDER he loves Joey so much - he seems to be just like him
I do Yappy, I do.
Delete*fist bump*
Perhaps Yappy needs to stop talking to reporters and assuming everyone's her "friend". Reporters are always looking for information, as it's their job. If you can't figure that out, is that the fault of every reporter you seem to open up to? Maybe not. Maybe Yappy needs to stop Yapping.
ReplyDeleteBy your own admission, you seem to be talking to all these reporters, then getting upset when they verify and use the information. Maybe they're not the problem.
He indicated that he went along with it, and he didn't object. He had many chances to have walked away from the situation and never did. There was one time that he said he was standing outside of the shower house and returned back inside where Joey was because he "didn't want to be alone." My guess is that it is possible if he had ever said no, nothing would have happened. Perhaps, it was the effect of the alcohol he drank. I don't know.
ReplyDeleteHe didn't have both a biological mother and father looking after him to prevent him from being out by himself at a lake park drinking alcohol. His father apparently was drunk inside a tent asleep with the teenager's stepmother, with whom the youth didn't get along with well. The youth and his stepmother regularly argued, including while they were at the camping trip, according to the testimony.
It's hard to figure out exactly what the home situation was. The father was given primary custody over the mother, and the father appears to have been a deadbeat. He didn't provide for his family, according to multiple witnesses. The court testimony revealed that the mother had been convicted of marijuana possession prior to the event in 2007, and that she later had been arrested in connection with some sort of protective order violation warrant.
I feel sorry for the youth. I also feel sorry for Dauben. I think that if neither one of them had been out there drinking alcohol that night none of this would have ever happened. That's my OPINION, which basically is what one imparts in a column.
Didn't say no and willingly are two different things. Willingly, of course, is derived from the word will, meaning the boy wanted to have sex with Joey at least on some level. I did not see that at all, and I will point out to him wanting to leave on the boat ride once Joey's discourse became sexual in nature. And I will also say that before the trial I was assuming it would be the case that the boy did desire the encounter, so I was blown away by the testimony he gave.
DeleteOk, he didn't have great parents. He was most likely looking for a real father figure making him all the more venerable to a predator. Joey probably saw him as a peer, while he say Joey as a mentor.
Yes they were probably both seriously sloshed. Being drunk removes your inhibitions. You do what you want without much thought about the consequences, but you do what you desire. Yes, absent the alcohol Joey might not have raped the boy that night, but it was his desire.
14
DeleteFourteen?
& add in some alcohol, broken home..blather blather blather....
Is this really how some justify diddling kids?
I have a 14 year old son.
This is sickening.
@ Yappy: The teen was not raped. It was consensual sex by his own admission. He never said no. The only reason it was classified as a child sexual assault is that he was not old enough to give his consent. It is the adult's responsibility not to engage in sex with someone who is under the legal age of consent, but there was no force or violence involved.
ReplyDeleteMy son is 14.
DeleteNo such thing as CONSENSUAL from a 14 year old, Webbigail. Even in Oak Lawn.
DeleteNo such thing as CONSENSUAL from a 14 year old
DeleteSorry Jimmy plug your ears....
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CONSENSUAL SEX WHEN A 14 YEAR OLD CHILD IS INVOLVED!!!
Sorry Anon just didn't think you said that loud enough.
Yep - I agree with Anon, Spawn, G/Snap, yappy by definition having sex with a 14 year old is rape. When a female teacher has sex with a 14 year old male (they never say no) it is RAPE and the teacher goes to jail. Same difference.
DeleteHi,
ReplyDeleteThis is Joe, Yappy's husband ( and proud of it ). Mr. Webb forgot to disclose I am 6'4, 245lbs and a former member of the Canadian Armed Forces.
Mr. Webb also fails to disclose I was present for the entire phone conversation between himself and my wife.
Mrs. Yappy has done nothing wrong and I will not sit by quietly and have you attack her under some assumption she disclosed your secret regarding Joey.
I'd suggest you take a heart pill or calm things down, any attack on Mrs. Yappy is also an attack on me.
Up until recently I respected your coverage of the trial but your article blaming the victim and alcohol for Joey's actions is repulsive. I can't help but think that you have some ulterior motive to defend Joey.
Your reference to a 20 year old young man who willingly slept with Dauben does not reflect the fact he was a young 14 year old boy and a virgin at the time of the assault. Even if the boy feels he was a willing participant in his rape this does not abolish Joey of his crime. Joey groomed him, it's what predators do.
While my wife is more than capable of defending herself I felt it necessary to speak up.
Mr. Webb,
ReplyDeleteWhen God was passing out brains you must have thought He said trains and asked for a slow one.
How in hell do you think a 14 years old is capable of having consensual sex when a 14 years old can not:
1. vote
2. decide to quit school
3. drive
4. drink......
how many more things do I need to list.
You - and people with your thinking- are no better than the 60 yr old men who "marry" 15 year old girls and claim it to be "God's Will"
Stop blaming the victim and face the fact that your sweetheart Joey is a pedophile and deserves to be thrown in jail and serve the time that is coming to him. Blame the alcohol, the 14 year old, whoever and whatever you want. Joey is and was responsible for his actions, his choices. The asshole deserves to burn at the stake.
You just said it again, this is a story about being careful about what they do when they are drinking around kids. That's not the story at all. This story is about (ear muffs Jimmy) DONT RAPE YOUNG BOYS!!!
ReplyDeleteYappy needs to take a few journalism classes, apparently. In the good ol' USA, reporters can gather information from "off the record sources", then verify those details with a minimum of 3-5 additional sources. Three "on the record" sources, or five "off the record" sources. As long as the reporter sticks to his/her word and doesn't NAME the source of the original information, it's completely ethical.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't want the information out there, maybe you should hush. It sounds like Yappy likes being the "inside source" to reporters about Joey, but then freaks out when she sees that info in print. Maybe it's guilt setting in; maybe she's repeating things others told HER in private. Either way, Yappy seems to be making a big ol' mess and blaiming everyone but herself.
But attacking someone's orientation may just get ol' Ginger shut down again. Yikes. That would make Yappy 2 for 2.
Hey JILLass (jackass) lol UM the ONLY thing you told me to zip it was about JOEY.
ReplyDeleteAt NO Time did you tell me not to go discuss anything further anyone. You asked someone on this blog to call you and someone did, didn't they?!
How many excuses can you make Webby?
Now your some SAVIOR writing articles to EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THE DANGERS OF CHILD RAPISTS OR DRINKING?
Your article PROVES you have not done your homework at all with regards to the TRUE nature of SEXUAL PREDATORS
Alcohol
Excuse after excuse after excuse for your boyfriend. You're SO sick and its so clear to everyone
BY THE WAY Webby, My husband knows exactly how obnoxious I am on this blog, don't you worry your little heart about that. Why is it that I have a spouse with 4 children over a 2 decade marriage and you are alone?
I'm sure I'm horrific to live with. LMAO Whatever. I'm talking to pathetic SCUM who believe A 14 YEAR OLD TEEN CAN'T BE RAPED
WONDER IF THAT GIVES YOU A RAGING HARD ON??? IS THAT what this is all about? Is being around Joey turning you on Webby?
^^^^^^ was that OBNOXIOUS ENOUGH FOR YOU????
Because Joe is looking over my shoulder as I type and is silent (rather he's grinning at the ass kicking his wife is doing)
If Joey Dauben had not been drinking alcohol, I don't believe that any of this would have ever happened. Even if he was drinking alcohol, if he had not been in the company of a 14-year-old alone it would not have happened. What is so hard to understand about that? I a not blaming the victim. I am blaming his parents for not taking better care of him.
ReplyDeletehere is what is hard about that. Your logic would then mean that when adults drink alcohol they tend to then rape 14 year old boys. Joey+liguor+young boy=rape so you are "warning" everyone else to be careful because it might happen to them?
Deletesorry Ginger, my paypal account will transfer about $100 tonight to your swear jar. I need to step away. This is all too much for me. I really am beginning to believe - due to my "professional background n all" that Webb has some serious sexual issues and attraction towards children.
DeleteThat is MY opinion only but I just don't know how else to take this at all. at all
I've never seen this in my life from any journalist ever.
Oh it would have happened Webb. Alcohol or not, Joey was into teen boys. Just like his buddy the pervo police chief.
DeleteWell looking at the evidence that was presented in trial and with my experience, I would venture a guess, that was not Joey's first "encounter".
Delete@Yappy I'm not sure that Webb "has serious sexual issues and attraction towards children". I don't know Webb so I can't say. However it has also been my experience that most men can not logically justify why an adult male could have attractions towards children. Therefore in their minds, it just doesn't/can't happen.
Here Imma gunna play Webby (demonstration)
ReplyDeleteHIC I'mma drunk HIC drunk too much right now HIC oh look, there's teens at the corner store... HIC no ability to control my sexual urge do to alcohol. HIC.......
GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK!!!
Alcohol does NOT Make any one RAPE anyone. Period.
@ Yappy: I did not ask someone on this blog to call me. I asked Ginger Snap to call me. You obviously got the number from her and decided you wanted to do some ball-busting after you talked to me. I'm sorry you were raped as a child. I can't imagine what that type of experience would do to someone. Well, I guess I might, given how ugly you've been to me after I was nice to you.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah and lets recall why you were trying to get me to call you (since I'm the owner of the viper pit), you were gushing like a little school girl at a Justin Bieber concert because Joey got out on bond 2 weeks before his trial for some reason. You were acting like that was the scoop of the century or something.
DeleteDid I say Ginger gave the number to me? Someone else on this blog has your number. Hmmmm geee
DeleteOh and it's also available per public records search - which is perfectly legal.
ASSumptions. WOW
*on this blog has your number as well.
DeleteWell, congratulations, Yappy. You have seriously defamed me by saying that you believe I have sexual desires toward children. @ Ginger what I was saying that no adult has any business drinking alcohol alone around someone who is underage, no matter whether that individual is 14, 15,16,17, 18, 19, 20 or 21. I believe the legal drinking age is 21 in most states.
ReplyDeleteI'm well aware of that, but IF someone is in that situation it does not lead to raping the boy unless they are a sexual deviant. That's my point.
DeleteNo I provided an opinion based on your inability to comprehend HOW true sexual predators work and your unwillingness to understand.
DeleteThe ONLY thing I have left in my own professional and personal opinion is your obsession over alcohol somehow gives you a sexual attraction to children. Given I am aware just how much you drink... well you can see how I am arriving at my conclusion.
Defaming? LMAO forever the victim. Get help. FAST
It's an opinion. If you're not a sexual deviant, it is simply up to you to clear that issue up instead of whining about someone making an assumption.
You know absolutely nothing about me and my consumption of alcohol. That's one of the biggest lies you have perpetuated against me on this blog. You are a vile liar.
DeleteMr. Webb I want you to take what I say with some salt and tequila.
DeleteJoey committed a crime. Joey was tried and convicted. Under your reasoning (I will use Kent Sprouse as my example here) My wifes first cousin should be found not guilty. Kent Sprouse got high on Meth killed a Hispanic national and a police officer in Ferris Texas in October of 2002. Kent first killed the Hispanic man by firing through the gas pump with a 12 Gage shotgun. After trying to get the man to help him start his Mustang.
The Hispanic man did not understand English and with Kent's impaired state of mind did not think he was going to kill him when he shot through the gas pump.
Kent then returned to his car and sat. Then the first officer to arrive on the scene ordered Kent out of his car. Kent emerged with his 12 Gage and the two exchanges gun fire. The officer was killed and Kent was transported to a Dallas Hospital. Kent now sits on Texas death row and a wife and child lost the husband/father that they should not have lost.
But under your reasoning any impairment due to an intoxicating substance (THE WAY I READ YOUR STORY) should be charged as a lesser offence. This is poor judgement on your part Sir. This is not the way a normal person thinks.
I was once a friend to Joey. I decided to accept what ever the jury decided. I have said as much on many occasions. While the Joey I knew was not the kind to do an act like this I also know like the Billy Joel song"The Stranger" we all have two faces.
No actually Webb several people have spoken to me regarding your consumption. I'm not low enough to name names :)
Deleteyappy would you not agree with me that we all have a second face that we don't show the rest of the world in some way?
Deleteabsolutely Curtis and a 3rd and 4th and so on depending on the hats we wear in life. Mother, daughter, grandchild, co-worker, friend, wife, etc
DeleteI'd never behave with a co-worker how I am with my husband, not in a million years. But what doesn't change are our core morals and values. If we are not a sexual deviant, NOTHING at all at any time would ever cause someone to rape a 14 yr old child. Nothing.
by co-worker that was a reference to a male co-worker and intimacy although i'm sure you didn't need clarification.
DeleteMr. Webb (and all others who can relate to his thinking)
ReplyDeleteHow the hell can you ever blame alcohol for your actions.
The last time I checked, our children have had numerous friends sleep over at our home. These children were as safe at our home as they were at their own home. Never, ever, ever, were they at risk of being sexually assaulted because I decided to have a couple shots of tequila.
Where the hell are your brains and your conscience. Oh ya, it was the guns fault that the kids were killed at Sandy Hook school, not the warped man who pulled the trigger repeatedly, but the gun.
I am responsible for my actions, ME - ALONE. I choose to do what I do, whether I am sober or not. If "alcohol is to blame for my actions" then I better quit drinking and grow up.
Our society has made it acceptable to blame anyone and anything for our actions. That is what is wrong with this world. Everyone and everything is to blame for MY actions but ME.
@Joe: That's an entirely situation than drinking excessively in the dark of the night alone with a underage person also drinking. You know there is a difference than you hosting a sleep-over for your children's friends.
DeleteSo David, you are saying that the only reason you don't rape 14 year old boys when you drink is because there are none in your immediate vision field, otherwise you would? Oh and their parents would have to be absent as well obviously.
DeleteI can't believe how sick you people are. It is simply inappropriate for an adult to be alone with a minor drinking with them. That point was made very clear by the prosecution in Joey's case.
DeleteYes I think you have finally truly found one thing that this site does hate, and that's rape. If you want to go crying back to your reader on your blog and type up another story about the anti-rape hate blog, at least for once you would be accurate.
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DeleteFIRST I'd LIKE to congratulate Webby for a first. 4 years of my blogging & rants about Connie Bedwell and her crimes and sick disgusting false accusations that partially led to Joey's world.... and then lead to WEBB
My husband has NEVER EVER got online but to google an address or pay a bill.. You have hit is heart to the core.
To make such a SICK simplification as a teen being LEFT alone with an ADULT therefore its the PARENTS TO BLAME for the teens rape - well that just devastated him enough to get online to blog his first ever blog post!!
Now lets refer to my hubby's statement - per Sandy Hook.
If we USE DAVID WEBB's reasoning, I make the following analogy under WEBB's apparent belief system - not mine!
ITs not REALLY the gun's fault that the Sandy Hook children were murdered, it was the parents that left their children ALONE with other adults in a building to be educated.
You GET what I'm saying Webb??? I don't believe the above statement for a second but it seems you simply things to such a degree, it might as well be as ridiculous as the above.
Anything hitting home or you just TOO DRUNK to figure it out?
By the way Joe adds a congratulations of his own to you. You have now solved the THE CURE TO PEDOPHILIA and child molesters. Abolish alcohol along with any parent ever leaving their child out of their care - ever again.
Thank you for your service. Once child rape has ended for good because of your incredible article and investigation, we will make certain to give you the credit.
You have not devoted this blog to fighting child sexual assault or child pornography or any other worthwhile cause. You have devoted it to the destruction of an enemy of yours and everyone connected to him. Your attacks on his parents and the rest of his family are reprehensible. They didn't participate in any crime of which he was tried. You truly are disgusting.
DeleteSee everyone who's reading this drama just how much Webb supports Joey? His own words show his motive very clear
DeleteWhat's disgusting is a so-called journalist who blames the victim and his parents for being raped and not lay 100% of the blame on Joey Dauben. Webby is using his little brain to write his crap, I wouldn't even use it in my bathroom nor to pick up my dog's crap.
DeleteI haven't devoted this blog to anything. But if you want a list of things I hate, rape is one of them, since you are so big on calling people hate mongers.
Deletethere you go with the enemy of Joey lie, this is slander at this point as I have told you at least 10 times now that I am not a victim or enemy of Joey. Am I a critic? hell yes, but not an enemy in any way shape or form, and every time you say that you continue to slander.
Davids post above:
DeleteDavid WebbJanuary 17, 2013 at 10:47 PM
@Joe: That's an entirely situation than drinking excessively in the dark of the night alone with a underage person also drinking. You know there is a difference than you hosting a sleep-over for your children's friends.
My husband went to sleep, but not without a broken heart.......
I'm going to respond to this. OUR HOME is FILLED with teens all the time. I spend almost double our mortgage on groceries. (not complaining, just making a statement how much we also feed them)
Just last week, the boys were camping out in the shop & guesthouse on sleeping bags, roasting hot dogs and smores outside. The rest went to sleep EXCEPT my husband and one young man - OH and he was almost 14 years old.
While we don't make it a habit to drink much around teens we at least ensure one of us is not in the event we would have to drive a vehicle... That evening Joe probably did have 3 tequila's and pina juice in 2 hours.
Do we ever allow these teens to drink? NOPE not on your life. Not in this home and if they're caught, they get a good talking to and sent home.
Back to my point. Joe WAS ALONE IN THE DARK (camp fire) maybe not drinking excessively by your standards but nevertheless... drinking around a teen. They chatted about all types of stuff under the stars during these 2 hours. Alone. by the fire, away from everyone else including me or any other adult.
Your reasoning and bullshit excuses gets worse with every sentence Webb.
The dark, nor drinking excessive, nor drinking AT ALL ever gives a man ANY sexual desires with a teen UNLESS that man is a sexual deviant human being. Plain and simple.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE ARGUMENTS?
Our home is an endless revolving door of young teens and young adults. They come here because they are accepted, welcomed (and fed).
I cannot comprehend your logic in the LEAST Webby - in any way shape or form. I just can't. YOU are trying to back-peddle on something you cannot now take away. You clearly blamed both the victim and their parents - clearly.
YOUR REAL beliefs have been made known tonight and its devastating to the core to see how you view the world. IT MAKES ME absolutely sick to my stomach in the literal sense of the word!
Never in my life have I come across someone nearly as revolting as what Joey has written and done to others. You've almost achieved that and then some. I now only pity you and remain exceptionally worried about your own personal desires.
IF you truly were a TRUE investigative journalist you would understand ALCOHOL has nothing to do with desiring to have sex with a VIRGIN 14 yr old child.
GIven the obvious fact you have not spoken with psychologists with regards to understanding predators like Joey and make a simplistic leap to alcohol - again I can only surmise you are DRAWING from personal experience &/or beliefs. YOU are proving you can relate FAR MORE to Joey Dauben than ever relating to the young teen victim.
Repulsive. Absolutely repulsive. Thank GOD Blogger has a much stronger spine than wordpress ever will so I presume THIS BLOG will be here in the morning intact.
I HAVE ZERO problem with stating this out loud and 'on the record"..... I would be profoundly concerned to EVER leave any person under the age of 18 alone with you, especially in the dark, while consuming alcohol.
@ Ginger: You've devoted a blog to attacking him. I thought you would want to know he was out of jail.
ReplyDeleteHow do you know what I devoted this blog too? How do you know what my reasons were for starting it in the first place? I have no mission statement, I have no about page, yes Joey is obviously a topic I follow as its assumed in the name, but that's all. Everything else is your ASSumptions, and that's where you make mistakes every single time, when you ASSume things. You don't have that gift.
DeleteUh, the name of it is a clue for one thing. If there is an ASS in the house, it is you.
Deleteyou are avoiding the answers. You made the claim that this site was devoted to attacking Joey Dauben and that it was formed by individuals that had accused Joey of sexual assault. I say you are wrong, I challenge you to prove your claim.
DeleteActually, my story says that an enemy of Dauben's formed it and a group of people who claimed to be victimized by his joined it for support and an avenue to vent their rage.
DeleteI am waiting for him to respond to my statement to him Ginger. I think he had to go find his Jose Cuervo
Deletewell actually you said: "A group of people went so far as to start a blog where they could support each other and vent their rage about Dauben’s outrageous reporting"
Deletebut now you are saying enemy. I'm not an enemy of Joey's at all. We are friends, and have been way before you knew anything about him. So you are 0 for 38 or something now, I guess you are going to keep on trying huh?
@Ginger: I can assure you that he doesn't consider you a friend, nor would anyone else think you were. Your blog shows you've been doing your best to cause him as much trouble as you possibly can for some time now.
ReplyDelete@Curtis: I had no idea you made a statement to me. What is it, genius?
scroll up your the "REPORTER".
DeleteHe doesn't have the slightest clue who I am David, so how can he consider me his enemy. Yes I'm sure he isn't too fond of the online personality "gingersnap", but he doesn't know the individual so you can't make that ASSumption.
DeleteOh yeah, so now you are 0-39. Gonna try it again?
DeleteOK, Curtis. I found it. There is no comparison to be drawn at all. I said don't do it. Don't hang out with underage people and drink. I didn't say anything about take it easy on someone who did.
ReplyDeleteBy implying that some chemical is the real culprit that is exactly what you are saying sir. That is the reality of it. The alcohol made me do it is no justification for the criminal act. That is the comparison I am drawing.
Deleteyeah now you got what we are mad at him about.
DeleteSo tell us Curtis, when you drink, how is it that you are able to restrain yourself from going out and raping young boys? This information will be critical in the David Webb sexual rehabilitation program for Joey.
Its simple. I am not gay to begin with. I have no inclination towards young children and have no desire for them.
DeleteFor the times that the internet world has seen me at my worst (YouTube) I was drinking at home where I always do. I don't drink while fishing, hunting, at CHURCH CAMPS, or other activities.
Curtis, do you understand why when people are on probation they are forbidden from drinking alcohol? It's because it affects their judgment. I'm not against drinking, but some people should not drink. If you don't want to believe me, do some research on our own. Alcohol can have some horrific effects on some people.
Deleteand fyi Mr. Webb before you go saying that I never fished a bass tournament.
Deletehttp://www.americanbassanglers.com/BWS/bws_angler_profile.php?MemberID=1000003869
That stuck in Joey's craw
exactly Curtis, you hit the nail that Webby can't seem to find "you have no desire" to go rape young boys or girls, doesn't matter if you are drunk or sober. Desire Webby, that's the key word we are looking for.
DeleteMr. Webb I am the poster child for the horrific effects of alcohol consumption. I guess you didnt see my YouTube videos. I think Ginger did. My statement is that alcohol, while lowering your inhibitions will not change your sexual orientation. Unless you have gotten drunk and had sex with a woman. in which case then you would speak from an experience I would not have.
DeleteActually, I did get drunk and have sex with a woman once. I think it was in about 1980. It's hard to remember the exact year. She seduced me and got on top.
DeleteI would but its too easy. *PLACES HANDS OVER MOUTH*
DeleteLook UP webby, I ranted even more. So now YOU can make yourself a victim even further.
DeleteFor you to accuse me of defaming YOU for having an opinion is such a bullshit cop-out. YOU wrote your article and now you can't handle the criticism that's being fed INCLUDING MY wondering WHY you 'outed' Joey's story. I never betrayed you Webby and you know it!
Oh and your forensic bullshit is just Joey's yapper. His FORENSIC TEAM consisted of people by the name of LSH and AL AND MVZ
THEY gave JOEY Ginger's email addy and if you plug in her email NAME, you get a person in the area of Joey Dauben.
There was NO forensic investigation NOR was there actually even a true lawsuit. It was something that was filed against a person called MVZ and they 'won' by default only because she didn't respond in time.
BLOGGER NOR WORDPRESS provides the actual name of anyone without a criminal investigation and request by police.
Go figure, all your crap is DIRECTLY FROM JOEY AND JOEY"S WORLD ONLY and you take that as GOSPEL I SEE!! WOW
MVZ also tried to OUT me as 2 people... BOTH my email names in her world were derived from 'things' in my life, one even being the name of the street I live on.
DeleteI presume GInger basically gave Joey what he wanted. He believed for years she was someone she's not so she made an email in that name.
Go figure how that works eh? LOL WOW
DO YOU see how gullible you really are?
No, dear. You are wrong. There was a forensics investigation and it cost someone $6,000. They have all the information.
Deleteyappy your on the right track with MVZ just not MVZ beyond that I can say no more. just that this investigation listed MVZ and 10 anonymous posters.
DeleteI know I am because she did the same to me
DeleteTHE OTHER REASON I KNOW I'M CORRECT is because on that lawsuit it listed John Doe 1 through 10
IF there was a forensic investigation completed as Webby tries to YAP- then they would actually have my name as well. I was one of the John Does.
Go figure, not a knock at my door, nuthin. LMAO but we're the dummies. yah right ok then
Well, actually he does know who you are, Ginger Snatch. Forensics research by a private investigator in connection with a civil lawsuit revealed exactly who the owner of the Internet account from which you operate is. You are monitored constantly because one wrong statement against the wrong person is going to get you "squashed like a bug," I understand.
ReplyDeleteYes David, I read about my big outing like 8 months ago in one of his manifestos. So let me reiterate for you, he doesn't know who I am. Is that getting in. Oh and thanks for the threats, I can add that to slander.
DeleteWait I assume that the person who gave you this information is sitting in the Navarro County Jail tonight awaiting final sentencing for his conviction on four counts of what equates to child rape?
DeleteI'm not talking about anyone sitting in the Navarro County Jail. It's someone else monitoring every word you write, Ginger. But that's not a threat. I'm just giving you information about an ongoing event. As far as slander goes, actually with the written word it is called libel. And it is me that would have a case against you, not the other way around, when it comes to libel.
ReplyDeleteOK I know who this is then. And while they may or may not have the right person what gignger has or has not said about them is irrelevant to this conversation.
DeleteLMAO awww it's not a threat. Monitoring? Are they REALLY that scared of us?
Deletewow talk about fearing things and conspiracies. Webb even with that statement, you could not make it more clear how much you are in bed with Dauben! I wonder if he JUDGE is going to LOVE adding this entire convo & your article to his PSI....
;)
Yes it IS libel and lemme give you a CIVIL lesson. IN ORDER TO PROVE you are defamed in the court system YOU MUST prove direct harm or damage has occured in your life / livelihood as a direct result of OPINIONS spoken here tonight.
I WOULD think that a judge reading this would also see how WE could have such opinions given your own beliefs as well. Defame, threats, libel
Whatever Webby, you're so pathetic it isn't even funny. I'll repeat this until the cows come home to GIngers absolute utter dismay no doubt.
WEbby I would be absolutely mortified to leave a person under the age of 18 in your care, especially in the dark while you're drinking. that is MY opinion DUE DIRECTLY to your entire speech on here tonight. I would not have come to this conclusion if it weren't for YOUR own words.
Take that to the judge, butter my butt and call my redneck obnoxious hiney a biscuit!
AGAIN I MISS MY LIKE BUTTONS!
DeleteAren't you a lovely person? So eloquent. Not to bright, though. The type of inflammatory things you are writing could be leading you down a road you are to stupid to comprehend. If your words influenced someone to attack me physically, for instance, you could be found of contributing to a hate crime. All of you are truly sick people. Please get some help.
DeleteAwwwwe there you go, you just couldn't wait any longer. Everyone back up, I'm a gay guy, you better back away, I have the gay hate card and I love to play it even if it makes no sense whatsoever to the situation.
DeleteBut is it just me or is he now trying to divert this away from the orginal points. that 1. while drinking lowers inhibitions it does not change ones sexual orientation. 2. there must be some desire to act upon while said inhibitions are lowered, and 3. That Dauben ws the true and sole responsible party because he A)failed to remove said alcohol if the teen brought it. i)was more irresponsible if he (Dauben) brought it. B)Failed to ensure he was never unsupervised if he knew as he claimed that the teen had a history of making false claims of this nature. and 3) Dauben failed to notify said guardians of the teen while knowing full well that the teen/s were drinking.
DeleteThese failings and poor judgement lead Joey to the worst acts of his life. even if it were just one time. One crime is one crime too many
Curtis ButlerJanuary 17, 2013 at 11:58 PM
DeleteAGAIN I MISS MY LIKE BUTTONS!
*High Five*
David, I'm very familiar with the "investigation" you are talking about. It was a civil case between two other individuals whom posted information as part of their suit, on my blog. So that $6,000 you are talking about is the money they spent on the civil case. They got my email address, the same one as you, one of my IP addresses, and the same for 10 other posters on that blog.
ReplyDeleteFrom that point you have to get a court order to force the server to give up the information as to who holds those IP's and since I didn't commit a crime and was taken out of the lawsuit (as a john doe), they never had the right to force those records. So you are speaking of a half-truth that Joey told you about, but once again you haven't got the slightest clue as what the real story is, and its probably best you go back into your spider webb or you might continue to embarrass yourself in front of our record audience.
DID DAVID NOT READ???
DeleteERR DAVID - I TOO WAS one of John Does 1 through 10 in January of 2012. IF this forensic investigation was SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED they would not only have Gingers CORRECT information they would have mine as well due to the fact I was ONE of the john does.
GIVEN THAT JOKEY in September of 2012 calls YAPPY Shane Crowe, its' clearly highly evident this 'investigation' was an utter BOMB in every aspect OR they would have my real name by now + it would exist in Joey's manifesto. it does not
Webby likes to threaten Joey style... ESPECIALLY WHEN he's been drinking.
I don't care who gave it to you, they don't have the right information. But then again, I don't care, I'm only pointing out how you continue to be wrong about everything you speak of.
ReplyDeleteYeah, right.
ReplyDeletere posting Ginger.
ReplyDeleteBut is it just me or is he now trying to divert this away from the orginal points. that 1. while drinking lowers inhibitions it does not change ones sexual orientation. 2. there must be some desire to act upon while said inhibitions are lowered, and 3. That Dauben ws the true and sole responsible party because he A)failed to remove said alcohol if the teen brought it. i)was more irresponsible if he (Dauben) brought it. B)Failed to ensure he was never unsupervised if he knew as he claimed that the teen had a history of making false claims of this nature. and 3) Dauben failed to notify said guardians of the teen while knowing full well that the teen/s were drinking.
These failings and poor judgement lead Joey to the worst acts of his life. even if it were just one time. One crime is one crime too many
In case Mr. Reporter missed it the first time
David WebbJanuary 18, 2013 at 12:00 AM
ReplyDeleteAren't you a lovely person? So eloquent. Not to bright, though. The type of inflammatory things you are writing could be leading you down a road you are to stupid to comprehend. If your words influenced someone to attack me physically, for instance, you could be found of contributing to a hate crime. All of you are truly sick people. Please get some help.
REALLY??????
Lemme think about that because some where around here I have BOTH a copy of your own articles AND a conversation where YOU DISCUSS IN LENGTH how dismayed you are at the FACT JOEY WAS convicted because he exercised his RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
SINCE Webby is crying up a storm like a lil ole girl.. I will add to this.
WHILE I STAND BY MY BELIEFS ABOUT DAVID WEBB due directly to his OWN words on here tonight, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD I EVER desire nor want any harm to come to David Webb :) Just like Webby could never find me ever saying I'd ever want harm to come to Joey Dauben either because that's not how I feel.
FURTHER TO THIS..... if ANY HARM IN ANY way comes to the TEEN rape victim of Joey directly DUE TO MR WEbb's painfully abusive reporting against the teen and his family and the ABSOLUTE direct defaming of them and their character as well, I HOPE and pray to God they sue the frigging hell out of Webb.
If anyone NEEDS my advice on how to get around things like Homestead protection OR garnishment of wages in the state of Texas, let me know. I had a friend who successfully sued someone last year and they discovered exactly how to OBTAIN the money owed to them after a judgement was rendered.
Webb is TRULY SO SICK I hope he's not only investigated in aiding and abetting Joeys DELIBERATE HATE AND SMEAR CAMPAIGN against the teen, I equally hope they SUE his sorry jillass. Amen :)
Is that the response you were needing Webby? Gnite webby, PLEASE stay away - far away from any and ALLLL children under the age of 18 when its dark + you've been drinking excessively + they've been drinking + they're without parents. I truly fear for them.... because of your DIRECT words tonight.
If you fear anyone, fear your fingers. its your own words that have caused others to be utterly IN FEAR of you.
Uh, Curtis, all of that has already been established and reported by me and everybody else in and around Dallas.
ReplyDeleteYappy: You are truly crazy. Please go back to Canada to check into a government mental hospital. I don't want any of my taxes going to pay for your treatment, which you desperately need.
ReplyDeleteLMFAO NONE Of your american dolla's go to my health care at all. WEEEE DON'T QUALIFY under your current president's rules n regulations.
DeleteI'm sorry Webb, you are the one in such need of emotional help, its beyond pathetic and THUS why I pity you deeply. I WILL continue to pray that others will investigate YOU AND also HOPEFULLY SUE you for not only emotional damage on a rape victim BUT also defaming his family's name. IF Ginger gets an email requesting my email with regards to successfully suing webb, she's welcome to provide it
Its funny how you can DIRECTLY ACCUSE ME OF BEING CRAZY AND DEFAME ME TO NO END BUT someone says an opinion about you and you're calling the police, crying to the judge and threatening us.
You are a SICK SICK SICK MAN LMAO!!! WOW WOW WOW
PUT THE BOOOOOZE DOWN AND walk away from the keyboard webb. You have created such a PERFECT case for the rape victim to OWN you, it's NOT Funny any more - at all!
You're so sick to blame him and his parents. HOW FLIPPING DARE YOU
we also pay $1400 per month for health care insurance PLUS co-pays galore out of our yin yang! NONE of it is on your dime, trust me loooopy man
DeleteHow YOU DARE to attack me and (lookat me whine webby style....) defame me YET cry how you're being HURT on this blog?
*faints*
While I do not believe Mr. Webb should be physically harmed by his words and beliefs I do believe in my opinion that his publicist should make direct contact with him and give him council on his words both here and in the article he has written on his blog.
ReplyDeleteI believe that his peer group should not allow him to have standing with them as long as he blames a chemical for a crime against a child. I have known many homosexual men who would love to be the first to kick Joey Dauben's butt across 7 counties and the Red River if given the chance. Again I will state that this is in no way shape or form a threat against Mr. Webb Just my honest heart felt opinion.
Wow anti LEGAL immigration sentiments coming from Mr. Webb now. I wonder what his feelings for illegal immigration is?
ReplyDeleteCurtis: Again, all I have said is that an adult has no business drinking alcohol with a minor. Do you understand what I am saying? An adult drinking alcohol and the minor drinking alcohol with no one else around. Are you saying that you think that is OK? Because if you are,there is something really wrong with your reasoning.
ReplyDeleteyes, its not good, and you know what is much much MUCH worse than drinking with a boy? Raping him. Drinking does not make you rape young boys. Being a predator plus alcohol and a helpless young boy does lead to rape. But you can take the booze out of it and the rape can still happen.
DeleteGinger can we get an article quoting Mr. Webb on his statement about yappy? Does anyone know who his publicist is?
ReplyDeletehe's retired and I don't care about his life, whatever Curtis. really, I can fight my own fights online and I don't care how much he tries to attack me in the least NOR would I care to go to court over such pathetic bullshit like this.
DeleteIn my opinion based on several people that DIRECTLY KNOW WEBBBY..... he's a sick pathetic lonely drunk man (IN MY OPINION ONLY OF COURSE) who also lost the love of his life last year due to..........
ooopsie keyboard failure
BUT I know nuthing about Webby at all right, not even how much he consumes alcohol
He's seems like a monster like Joey, no wonder he can relate to him so well
I PRAY that victims family is reading this blog!! I believe they would have a very cut and dry case
Mr. Webb please read my statement again. No where do I imply that. While I agree that no adult should drink with a minor you are indicating that the alcohol is to blame for Joey's actions. That is simply not the case. Even while intoxicated I DONT GO MESSING WITH KIDS!
ReplyDeleteWell, my feeling is that when people immigrate to the United States from other countries that we shouldn't let crazy people come across the border, Clearly, Yappy is crazy, and I would prefer that she went back to her own country to get mental health treatment.
ReplyDeleteYou mean that you lost the education battle to her and now you have to result to playground tactics to insult her. Is that what you mean?
Delete@yappy. I am sorry to have defended you so staunchly but he has raised my blood pressure to stroke out limits. Meaning I cant drink tonight. Damn it.
DeleteNaw, I'm a big girl, can handle my own fights. Go have a drink and call it a night. Webby has proven himself for what he is. He's shown his true colors...errrr colours in Canadian language that is.
DeleteLOL
people like him think I get SO upset over his crap are wrong. THEY actually fire me up where I see not only their weakness but a CLEAR insight into their MORAL character.
I call him names on purpose to see if I can get a rise and he'll probably agree with that much. He'll also claim I defame his perrrfect character WITHOUT ever doing the exact same to myself.
he's like Joey.... never accepting responsibility. EVER
I hope like I said above, that the family is reading this. I'll pray with everything in me because this is NOT the thoughts nor writings of a man who should be around children GIVEN he drinks alcohol AND lives alone.
Gnite Curtis Don't worry at all about me.. while I'm horrified by his words and thoughts about rape victims... he alone has proved what he is on here, not me.
his insanity and ILLOGICAL AND SICK beliefs about RAPE victims proves WHAT his entire agenda has been about Joey all along and the rest reading can determine their own conclusions JUST WHO the 'monster' in this blog fight truly is.
You missed my earlier comments I cant drink tonight. My blood pressure is up and when it is and I add alcohol I make YouTube Videos lol
DeleteSorry to hear that Curtis, take care of yourself. I've got to know you online in many ways and again I think we share similar family situations. Not sure in detail but I have a feeling...
Deletewe all have a story EH? I appreciate the support. please do whats best for you _ LOG OFF and go rest. Nothing is more important than your health. Not even a meaningless battle with someone as vicious as David Webb who believes children CANNOT be raped if they 'feel' they were a willing victim. How sad is that hey??
Unbelievable
Words right out of my mouth yappy.
DeleteCurtis: Yappy is an agitator. She loses control constantly. She got this blog shut down with her hate speech. She makes outrageous, unfair statements. She put her husband on the blog to attempt to intimidate me. She broke an agreement we had not to ever discuss our telephone conversation on this blog. She is uncouth. I would be afraid to have her in my house for fear she might break something. This is not a nice person. This is not anti-immigration. I know many nice Canadian people. She is not one of them.
ReplyDeleteMr. Webb as a reporter you should know that when you have a conversation with an anonymous person who posts comments on a blog that the conversation is never off the record. yappy is uncouth I do give you that. She is not antagonizing you she is trying to get you to think. She is trying to get you to use the education that you are so proud of in that head of yours.
DeleteShe is doing a crash course in real life real world view that you are being closed minded to.
Don't be mad at her she does this to everybody. Even I got it on more than one occasion. You are not wanting to change your perspective. That is why she is going off on you. It is not your position. It is the lack of trying to see your position from the other side that has her so mad. I have had a few discussions with her. I did what she wanted me to do. look at my position on Joey from 360 degrees. I suggest you do the same also. You might find the view is better away from where you are currently.
My position does not need to change. I see Joey Dauben for exactly what he is and what he has done. He is about to pay a terrible price for the crime. What more do you want? I'm sure that when Joey got up that day, the last thing on his mind was committing a criminal act that would put him in prison. My column simply was meant to remind people that minors cannot give their consent to sexual activity, and to avoid compromising situations. This is not the first time it has ever happened. It has happened with both heterosexual and homosexual relationships. I'm flabbergasted that anyone would even have the sort of reaction that that the author of this blog and all of the contributors have had to what basically is common sense.
DeleteCurtis I willingly admit to antagonizing webb IN ORDER for him to show his true colours and he did.
DeleteThe rest of it WAS an attempt of educating him regarding sexual predators but he'd rather call me crazy and sick and whatever else and play the pathetic victim EVEN disregarding how abusive he's TRULY been to the victim and his family and his pathetic attempt to ABSOLVE himself due to the fact he did not name the victim THEREFORE he must feel he is free from any legal repercussions.
Mr WEbb does NOT know the full extent of my life nor my connections, legal and otherwise. He has stepped so far way off the line tonight I do not know where to begin.
Please go to sleep Curtis, don't concern yourself further. Again, I can only hope someone reading here tonight knows the teen and understands this type of sick behavior should NOT be tolerated by a journalist in any manner. HIS SICK smear campaign is so beyond heartbreaking it just broke my heart for that young man to no end.
In essence I WAS also defending that young man and his family due to my extensive knowledge of teen rape victims and the unbelievable pain and heartache they go through along with OFTEN KILLING THEMSELVES
Maybe Webb truly doesn't get it how a TEEN after reading HIS ARTICLES AND HIS WORDS COULD POSSIBLY go out and kill themselves.... well there was a teen in Canada who did that because of 'words' online - google amanda todd
HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES THERE COULD BE NO repercussions for his own actions or words at all is shocking to the core.
I really think he needs to SHUT his FREAKING MOUTH UP NOW AND I MEAN NOW about any and all rape victims period before a teen does something he and everyone else would regret.
Mr Webb is so wrapped up in being a VICTIM of what YAPPY does to him, hes completely blind in seeing HOW disgusting and revolting and abusive he has been towards the rape victim of Joey dauben.
Gnite curtis, you're cool and ya, i've taken a round out of you online and I'm glad to see it for what it is and still can talk to me.
Mr Webb should know about suicide
Deletevictim's family is reading
Deleteyappy I will always appreciate the missing part of my back side that now sits in your trophy case. I took it then as I take it now. real world education. you cant buy that in any college! Its earned. Sometimes there are those that help us learn it along the way. BTW I FORGOT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT! THANKS FOR THE LIFE LESSONS YAPPY YOU WERE THERE TO HELP ME LEARN THEM WHEN I NEEDED THEM MOST!
DeleteOh, go to bed, Nancy.
DeleteNo, that is the name of a participant of tonight's discussion who is a woman posting under another name.
DeleteOn an episode on Everybody loves Raymond there is a quote by Raymond and his father stating the word Nancy presuming Raymond was gay.
DeleteAre you in fact a gay basher David Webb?
no, one was called Nancy tonight except from you.
DeleteMy goodness. I just read Yappy's hysterics above. She has vilified me in every way imaginable for the past few weeks, and she is now saying that I am libeling her? What a joke. As regards my libeling the victim, I've never used his name. You obviously are too stupid to realize that you have to identify someone in order to libel them. I have always withheld his name in everything I've written.
ReplyDeleteLMAO the VICTIM doesn't KNOW his name? Was Joey raped by more than one teen that testified in Corsicana last week that I'm not aware of?
DeleteIts VERY easy to figure out his name given Ennis news provides it and MOST reading your articles will also READ Theirs.
but yah, that statement alone will save your sorry pathetic ass from ANY and all repercussion for defaming and viciously harming the teen and his family
as far as I'm concerned, I really do not give 1 iota any names you call me, I say that in a whiney JEST to poke fun at you. YOU have every right to call me sick but I don't in return ERGO YOU have every right to threaten to sue me?
OMG that alone is the definition of insanity hahahhahahhahahah
gnite webby, go drink some more. you are one of the worst human beings I've ever come across in my life. Unlike you, I'd be able to pull up about 300 character witnesses that speak of how great my character is regardless of HOW MANY NAMES I CALL A JOURNALIST who blames a RAPE victim and his family for getting raped.
I have a good feeling they would support me and defend me in my efforts to silence your SICK HORRIFIC WORDS towards the rape victim and his family
:)
Gnite adios, sayonara, kiss my ass and all that jazzzzz
You really are nuts. I never blamed the victim. I don't know whether you are just to dumb to understand the difference or if you are still so traumatized by your own experience that you are incapable of thinking rationally about it. Why don't you use that insurance that you pay so much for to get some psychiatric treatment?
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Deletehe willingly participated in the sexual activity, and that he came from a broken, troubled home that probably contributed to him being alone late at night drinking with an adult 12 years older than him.
I am blaming his parents
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DeleteThe teen was not raped. It was consensual sex
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DeleteHe never said no.
He never said no.
Deletewillingly participated in the sexual activity, and that he came from a broken, troubled home that probably contributed to him being alone late at night drinking with an adult 12 years older than him.
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The teen was not raped. It was consensual sex
OK Blood pressure is back to normal after I washed the filth off in that shower. Now on to more filth
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ReplyDeleteDavid WebbJanuary 17, 2013 at 9:43 PM
@ Yappy: The teen was not raped.
not raped?
why is joey convicted 30 years behind bars?
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David WebbJanuary 17, 2013 at 9:43 PM
@ Yappy: The teen was not raped.
not raped?
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AnonymousJanuary 18, 2013 at 2:17 AM
why is joey convicted 30 years behind bars?
It was a statuary offense. The victim was not old enough to give consent. It was wrong, but not a forceable act, according to the testimony.
ReplyDeleteI get your point - given the same set of circumstances, the boy was 18 and didn't say no, it wouldn't be classified as rape. But rape can happen to an adult that doesn't say no.
DeleteCase in point: I recall a case several years ago in which a man broke into a woman's house while she was sleeping. As he proceeded to rape her, she did not resist and asked him if he would use a condom. He did. She reported the rape, he was caught and his defense was she didn't resist, she was willing because she asked for protection. She was devastated twice, once by the rape, then by the defense.
WOW! And, I thought the Bill/Bushy war was the baddest thing going on tonight. I had no idea y'all were over here. Don't know whether I'm glad or sorry I missed this war.
ReplyDelete@ Webb: it did sound like you were suggesting comparable negligence for the rape re: the kid, the parents and the alcohol. I didn't think you meant it that way, but it did sound that way. That was the basis for one of my comments earlier today.
David WebbJanuary 18, 2013 at 12:59 AM
DeleteYou really are nuts. I never blamed the victim.
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AnonymousJanuary 18, 2013 at 1:22 AM
he willingly participated in the sexual activity, and that he came from a broken, troubled home that probably contributed to him being alone late at night drinking with an adult 12 years older than him.
AnonymousJanuary 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM
I am blaming his parents
AnonymousJanuary 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM
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AnonymousJanuary 18, 2013 at 1:30 AM
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The teen was not raped. It was consensual sex
AnonymousJanuary 18, 2013 at 1:32 AM
He never said no.
The audience for the column I wrote is an adult one, specifically gay adults, although straight people could take a lesson from it too. There is a legal age of consent to sexual activity in every state. Be aware of it, and don't get drunk with someone who is under that age. Alcohol tends to impair judgment, and no one needs to go there. I don't understand why this is such a controversial statement. But it has been on this blog tonight.
ReplyDeleteProvide the specific warning referencing to adult gays on your blog and facts referencing direct evidence to teens left alone are at fault.
Deleteweb quote . The audience for the column I wrote is an adult one, specifically gay adults
DeleteDo gays rape children more than non-gays? Provide research reference to quantify statement.
I cannot locate an adult blogspot warning reference.
ReplyDeletehttp://support.google.com/blogger/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=86944
DeleteAdult content setting
DeleteIf your blog contains adult themes or language, you may want to consider choosing to have a Content Warning page appear before readers can enter your blog. A Content Warning page will warn visitors that some may consider the material on your blog objectionable and will give them the chance to either continue to your blog or to cancel; this is especially useful if you would like to keep minors from accidentally stumbling upon your blog.
David Webb therarereporter.blogspot.com does not contain an adult only content setting.
DeleteDavid WebbJanuary 18, 2013 at 12:59 AM
ReplyDeleteYou really are nuts. I never blamed the victim.
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he willingly participated in the sexual activity, and that he came from a broken, troubled home that probably contributed to him being alone late at night drinking with an adult 12 years older than him.
AnonymousJanuary 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM
I am blaming his parents
The teen was not raped. It was consensual sex
Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse, which is initiated by one or more persons against another person without that person's consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority or with a person who is incapable of valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, or below the legal age of consent.
DeleteI too equated rape with force or violence but in the technical sense it merely needs the lack of consent. the only distinction that can be made is that there was no evidence of physical force which would have made it aggravated.
AnonymousJanuary 17, 2013 at 9:14 PM
ReplyDeletePerhaps Yappy needs to stop talking to reporters and assuming everyone's her "friend". Reporters are always looking for information, as it's their job. If you can't figure that out, is that the fault of every reporter you seem to open up to? Maybe not. Maybe Yappy needs to stop Yapping.
By your own admission, you seem to be talking to all these reporters, then getting upset when they verify and use the information. Maybe they're not the problem.
LOL Hi Erica
STILL trying to explain away why you make friends with people and then stab them in the back I see.
Poor Erica is still a bitch. Baffling to why you have no custody of your kid isn't it? I guess you shouldn't be so abusive when you told me ... oh wait um I never record anything so no worries.
And by the way, I HAVE nothing to hide with what I told webby and i never pretended to be his friend. I think you should zip it before... hmmm well. bye Nancy
And while you're at it, why don't you share with the group how YOU claimed to be NANCY GRACE'S key / investigator for inside information on Hailey?
ReplyDeleteHmmm yah ok
This anonymous is Erica... AnonymousJanuary 17, 2013 at 9:14 PM
ReplyDeletewhat did she say on the other blog to another anonymous? TOO scared to put your name to it?
Here's her exact quote: "AnonymousJanuary 15, 2013 at 10:50 AM
@Anon 1:58 - That may have stung a little more if you hadn't taken a page out of the Joey Dauben playbook and hidden behind an Anon moniker.
What's wrong, wittle baby? Can't own your words?
wb"
What's the matter Erica? Concerned about putting your name to this because you're defending Webby to zap at me?
Must suck to have more than 1 journalist eat their words.