As people continue to reel from the especially punitive sentence Joey received today, one has to wonder why Judge Lagomarismo would choose such a severe penalty? The sentencing was originally set for Tuesday but he moved it till today presumably to take more time to research it. The anger of this Judge was especially evident in his maxing out the probation at 10 years after the 30 year sentence. This is one pissed off judge, so what sent him to such extreme measures?
Joey's behavior in the courtroom, particularly his testimony certainly irked the Judge, but I think there is something more at work here. I think someone alerted him to the vomit inducing article that David Webb wrote after the sentencing. David Webb had already been called to the court for being Joey's mouthpiece while in jail, so Judge Lagomarismo knew the connection.
In Webb's "alcohol binge" article, he clearly blames the consumption of alcohol and the boy not saying no (and being alone) as the main culprit of the rape:
"To the best of my knowledge Dauben was straight, but apparently anything can happen late at night when two people are drinking alcohol alone."
and
"It didn’t matter that the teenager, now 20, testified he willingly participated in the sexual activity, and that he came from a broken, troubled home that probably contributed to him being alone late at night drinking with an adult 12 years older than him."
Ok, obviously that has already been covered on here, but lets draw our attention to another quote in this article:
"The once-promising writer who started off in high school as a sports reporter for a small town Texas newspaper an hour out of Dallas acknowledged to me after the verdict he was highly intoxicated on the night of the crime."
Red alert, Red alert. Joey clearly testified that he had only had a "swig" to drink and he wasn't even buzzed. Most judges don't like defendants perjuring themselves in their courtroom. Webb, in his quest to write a blame shifting article on Joey's crime may have caused the Judge to come down in such a punitive way. What an ironic way to end this story full of irony, his friendship of Webb very well may cost him an additional 9 or more years in prison.
That doesn't surprise me a bit.
ReplyDeleteSounds like a pretty viable scenario to me too.
DeleteThis is my last comment on the blog, and Ginger, I hope that you will post his prisoner number etc., on this site.
ReplyDeleteI personally believe the sentence was too harsh. Though Joey did wrong, he did not physically "rape" the child / beat him / or heavily manipulate him. The victim was 14 not 8, and yes, there is a difference, and I think any logical person knows there is a difference between the ages. Still a child.... But fully into puberty.
I believe that the crime was all done concurrently. It went from different sex acts to different things, at the same time. It wasn't like day after day he visited the boy.
I do not think Joey's crimes should have gone unpunished, but I do not believe Joey is such a hardened danger to society as to need 30 years in prison.
Who else gets 30 years for 1 sex act?
Who else gets 30 years for a crime?
Murderers
Bank Robbers (often not)
Mafia members
Gang Members
This was way too harsh, and I don't agree with it, even though I saw it coming.
Joey is not a "danger" to society. I'm not worried Joey would ever rob a bank, or murder my family. He would have been better off on a sex registry with probation and perhaps a little time served. After his Ellis conviction, he had 5 years of probation to slap him to never do that again.
After this conviction, if he loses appeal, he will begin his life again, as an old man.
I do feel for the victim, but I also believe that this harsh of a punishment victimized Joey. He needed to get on that registry (which he refused that and probation I understand but still...) and had somebody looking over his shoulder...
So sad....
Knowing Joey personally, I assure you, he wouldn't have pulled a home invasion on you, and raped your daughter (or son) in front of you. <-- I see that as a 30 year sentence.
His crime was severe, but this is too much. I can't agree with 30 years.
I think many on here were saying "he could use a good 5-10 years".
Anyway, for what its worth, I appreciate the updates on Joey. For believers in God, pray for him & the victim.
If Joey loses appeal (which often happens) his life is really over.
Jimmy I also knew Joey. I also knew and saw his arrogance. One reason for the sentence is the lack of remorse. That in and of it's self will land you the max time allowed.
DeleteYes Joey needs to be registered from this point forward. I personally believe that he would have been better served with one 10 year sentence. The judge saw things different. I dont think putting Joey away for 15 years before probation eligibility serves anyone any thing other than lip service.
Fact is that Joey was convicted for 4 felonies. The Jury could have handed him 20 years on each count. The Jury decided on 3 10 year prison sentences and one 10 year probation. During one physical encounter there were 4 crimes committed. the three acts of penetration and the one act of getting naked with the victim.
Each act of penetration was escalated so it constituted a new charge. I think the 10 Circuit Court of Appeals will reduce his sentence to 20 years plus probation so the reality is that Joey will do 16 years total time and then serve the rest on parole/probation. But time will tell.
We all know sex offenders are hacked off all the time. I do not see the boy making it home they do not like sex offenders as we all know, plus one who has been in the news.
DeleteCould you explain
"During one physical encounter there were 4 crimes committed. the three acts of penetration and the one act of getting naked with the victim. "
Not sure how you can "he three acts of penetration" how three?
Also I feel Mr. Rare should have stayed out of this.
Joey preformed oral on the boy 1 count
Deletethe boy preformed oral on Joey 2 counts
Joey had sex with the boy 3 counts
Indecency with a minor 4 counts
When you look at it that way its pretty cruel to stack the sentences imo
Joey only had sex with the boy one time correct? So,that will be only one penetration. Not three. Thank you for clearing that up. I wish no harm to anyone, yet I stated earlier, that boy will not make the 15 years. Texas prison workers are under paid and half aren't the brightest. That is why his safety should be a concern.
DeleteI ask Mr. Rare, is this way you betray a friend?
under Texas law each act of penetration is considered a separate act even if it occurred in the same encounter. That is how Joey was charged and thereby convicted.
DeleteAnd as I have said the sentence should have been 20 with one count stacked. Even with a lack or remorse or admission of guilt. Alas we are not judges merely bystanders in all of this.
DeleteThere are reasons lawyers tell you not to talk to people, and this may have been one of them. I don't really doubt that Joey said this to Webb.
ReplyDeleteWebb should have kept it to himself until after today...there was no reason to include it in the blame shifting article, or heck, even to write that BS article about alcohol being to blame.
How do you feel now Webb? Has he published anything about the sentencing today?
@oceans I agree to a point with Gingers article. There was far more to the sentence handed out today than just a man and a boy. More than a bottle of Wild Turkey. More than an LGBT journalist with an itch to out do Ginger. Joey's lack of remorse, his "conspiracy" claim, and his admission of having one "swig". All of these combined contributed to Joey's sentence. I think even through an appeal the verdict and sentence will stand.
DeleteI have to ask if anyone knows how this judge has sentenced other child molestors. It's really sad to have to consider there are so many others out there.
DeleteJoey is a sexual predator. He knew what he did was wrong. He IMO would have continued doing more with this boy if he could. I see him as dangerous. He has no conscience as is evidenced by his other behaviors towards victims of his smear campaigns. He has no common sense, as evidenced by his ridiculous testimony in this case, and his refusal to accept a plea deal when he knew what he had done.
I think you may be right Curtis(happy birthday dude, may you laugh till it hurts and have too much fun while you celebrate your day). The verdict will stand, and probably the sentence too. I only say probably because I am not familiar with Texas courts.
"because I am not familiar with Texas courts"
DeleteTimes a wasting for you
@ oceans thanks.
DeleteTexas law has laid within it the ability to take individual acts of depravity and charge them separately even if it is just "one" encounter. I am sure that is what the jury found and that is how they ruled. The judge concurred and handed Joey his sentence.
Jimmy S. Mr. Golden Boy SHOULD have taken the plea agreement! He decided not to. This is no ones fault but his OWN.
ReplyDeleteAGREED
DeleteGinger Snap:
ReplyDeleteThis post is so incredibly stupid that I cannot even get mad about it.
First of all, Joey didn't testify that he wasn't buzzed, he testified that he was buzzed. He said that he drank beer all day long, but that he only had one swig of the whiskey that the victim brought to the gathering because it tasted so strong. He said that be was not so drunk that he couldn't remember what happened. People can be really drunk and still remember what happens.
People lose their inhibitions with alcohol. All kinds of weird stuff can happen. People tend to get sexual when they are drinking a lot late at night. That's a fact of life, whether you are talking about straight, gay, mixed or whatever kinds of gatherings.
Secondly, you are accusing Judge Lagomarsino of judicial misconduct. The purpose of a hearing, which is what they had today, is for the judge to consider evidence. If the judge wanted to consider my column in his decision, he would have subpoenaed me to testify if Joey had indeed told me that. My column would have been entered as evidence. Judges don't just read stories online and in the newspaper and then use them to make decisions.
I got along just fine with the DA, the judge and everybody else in the courtroom during Joey's trial. The DA told me I had a big following with the state. They liked my reports, he said.
Finally, the hearing was never scheduled for Tuesday. The director of the probation department said the presentencing investigation report could be ready by Tuesday, but the judge said he wanted to schedule it for Friday, Jan. 25.
You are an utter idiot, and you are full of shit. I can smell the stench of you from Tarrant County all the way over to Cedar Creek Lake.
But thanks for posting my picture and giving me more publicity. And thank you for showing your ass again.
Joey's testimony:
Delete“I was not intoxicated to the point where I didn’t know what was going on,” he said, adding “it was wrong for anyone to be drinking out there.”
What he told you after the verdict:
"acknowledged to me after the verdict he was highly intoxicated on the night of the crime."
Now you can split hairs over highly intoxicated vs. didn't know what was going on but it sounds very evident that what he was telling the jury and then telling you are two different things.
The Judge was going to decide which way he wanted the sentence to be. Its a judgment call, he is not up there to re-try the case but if he gets wind that Joey was less than forthcoming on his testimony, which of his two options do you think he will take?
Now if you are smelling stench, that's more of a personal problem. I certainly wouldn't blame that on the entire county of Tarrant.
My Birthday on a Friday and I dont have to pay to watch the fights. This is great!
DeleteHAPPY BIRTHDAY CURTIS!
DeleteWhile I do not believe Mr. Webb's articles and blogs were the focal point for Joey's verdict, they might have contributed to it. But that is speculation on my part.
DeleteJoey's testimony and "conspiracy" statements hung him.
@Spawn THANKS MUCH
@Curtis I completely agree
DeleteAnd you're welcome
Part of the PSI is to gather evidence regarding all aspects of Joey's life including those he surrounds himself with. A PSI would not request Webb to testify, it is not standard protocol. The PSI investigator was provided critical information.
DeleteHappy Birthday Curtis!
DeleteThanks anon 10:05.
Delete@ Mr. Webb. I have read your articles/blogs. I have found some of them to be outright disturbing. Others to be one sided. Yet others to be somewhat balanced.
While you play both sides of the fence. (I am guilty of this myself.) Joey will sit and wait for yet another lawyer and the court and the citizens of Navarro County to pay for it, Where will your motivation come from? Will you rehash Joey's old stories? Pick up where he left off? Do what he could or wouldn't do?
There was more punishment evidence that was not presented in court. I assume due to a judgment call on the part of the prosecution. As far as the stiff sentence, think about this from a judge's prespective. The judge is an elected offical. This case has been reported heavily in the media. What are the types of cases must the public perceive judges tough on? (murder, rape, drug dealers, child molsters). It is politically expedient to give the maximum sentence on this case. If the public sees the judge as tough on crime, then the judge gets reelected.
ReplyDeleteWell, I don't think the judge is going to much appreciate what you've written about him, and I'm going to make sure he sees it. You have accused a state district judge of allowing a written report that he didn't confirm in a judicial setting as influencing his decision. You are so stupid.
ReplyDeletefirst of all, I didn't accuse anyone of anything, I did ask the question.
DeleteSecond, I dont "make" a judge do anything.
You may soon learn how good the state is at determining the identities of anonymous bloggers.
ReplyDeletewhy do you need the State, you already know who I am. So why not go for it?
DeleteWebbigail,
DeleteMaybe you haven't heard the rulings of the Court of Appeals on bloggers and anonimity on the internet.
Here is one from the 6th Court of Appeals @ Texarkana!
http://www.cyberslapp.org/documents/essentpetwritmand.pdf
Your little buddy Joey should have gave up a long time ago. He may have gotten away, but only for a little while. He should have learned what I tried to tell him.
See you in 20, Joey. I will try to stop by and visit sometime when I am in the area. Be sure to add me to your visitors list...
"Uncle Mike"
Webb must know the information that was provided to the PSI investigator and he's furious. It is why he's trying to flip it by making unfounded accusations.
DeleteDavid WebbJanuary 25, 2013 at 7:11 PM
DeleteYou may soon learn how good the state is at determining the identities of anonymous bloggers.
Webb may soon learn how wrong it was for him to inflict pain and harm on a rape victim and his family. There is no journalistic shield that protects him from posting his beliefs on a blog separate his own.
Oh David, you already said your own blog was being followed and read:
ReplyDelete'I got along just fine with the DA, the judge and everybody else in the courtroom during Joey's trial. The DA told me I had a big following with the state. They liked my reports, he said.'
You knew they read your stuff, and you wrote that about drinking and sex with minors as being just plain poor judgement, and not sexual predation. You were trying to make a point with the people in charge already yourself.
So now you think you have enough influence with this judge to get Ginger a spanking? Seriously, you need to get over yourself..
David you posted..
Delete" If the judge wanted to consider my column in his decision, he would have subpoenaed me to testify if Joey had indeed told me that. My column would have been entered as evidence. Judges don't just read stories online and in the newspaper and then use them to make decisions."
Actually they can and do use hearsay in their decision making process of sentencing. You are wrong. The judge could very well have used your article without calling you to testify. It was a hearing not a trial. Rules of evidence do not apply. You wrote that Joey made those statements to you. That was all he needed to see in order to use it in his decision. If he wished. Ginger didn't say anything about "accusing Judge Lagomarsino of judicial misconduct" nor did he imply it. Those were your words and your implications.
spawn - Actually they can and do use hearsay in their decision making process of sentencing. You are wrong. The judge could very well have used your article without calling you to testify.
DeleteBINGO.
Gee David, I hope the judge has more to do than to hunt down anonymous bloggers with opinions you don't like. Seems like there are probably judicial matters that are more important to a sitting judge.
ReplyDeleteLOL, I really am amused you think this blog warrants a full on investigation by a judge because you don't like what is being said about your writing possibly influencing him.
No one but this judge knows how and why he came to his decision, but we are free to speculate on what could have influenced him.
Once again, get over it David, and debate the facts or state an opinion you have, and quit with the empty threats.
Times a wasting for you
Delete@Spawn: A judge would never make such a critical decision about someone's fate without confirming to his own satisfaction that the information is correct. It is standard procedures in hearings.
ReplyDeleteI think the judge has a right to know what has been written about him. I actually think he is a fair man trying to carry out the will of the jury's decision and the community. You have defamed him.
You people have been calling for Joey's head on a stake for a year so it is the height of hypocrisy for you now to be talking about how shocked you are by the severity of the punishment.
Some people have even commented that they hope he gets raped and killed in prison. It's not going to go over so well if something like that actually happens to him. Groups have been held liable in civil court judgments for influencing violence against people since the late 1970s.
You are just about the sickest group of people I have ever encountered.
Um David, didn't your mother ever tell you to never say never. No one ever said the your article was the sole bases for his decision. I would certainly find it hard for any one to believe what you wrote so much so as to sentence a man to thirty years in prison. You give yourself to much credit.
DeleteAnd by no means am I trying to defame Judge Lagomarsino. Personally I would like to thank him. I am probably the only person on this blog that thinks the punishment is fitting but that is in my opinion.
I actually have no problem with the sentence structure Spawn. Joey by his own standards got off light.
DeleteUnlike others here, I think he will do okay in prison. Not saying it will be fun or easy. But I think he will survive...or end up in a special protection unit. He has a long time to learn the ropes.
I believe in long sentences for child predators who do what joey did. I wasn't in court, but I believe the victim expressed his pain. I believe the judge did what he felt was appropriate. Joey committed the crimes. Joey pays the price.
-webb It is standard procedures in hearings.
DeleteWrong again Webb. Not standard protocol for PSI.
webb- Some people have even commented that they hope he gets raped and killed in prison. It's not going to go over so well if something like that actually happens to him.
DeleteMost here made it very clear they did not condone the comments nor agreed with the 1 sick blogger wishing Joey was raped. No one made a comment wishing he would be killed. In fact most are in great fear Joey won't survive and don't feel the punishment equals the crime. I wonder if Ginger is correct in her speculation. Had some of your hateful words regarding the family of this boy cause the judge to pause. Had some of what Joey shared with you cause him to reconsider leniency? Judge would have known how close you and Joey are.
Yeah that's another thing I forgot to address in his diatribe. He is basically inferring that if Joey gets raped and or killed in prison it will somehow be the fault of this blog. I'm flattered he thinks we have that much sway over the inmates inside the Texas criminal system.
DeleteWord has it Bill Windsore supplies it to all the ciminals in paper format. It is part of his "divide and conquor until death do we part" mantra
DeleteOh, his punishment wasn't any more severe than the next PEDOPHILES. According to Joey's standards, PEDOPHILES should get the death penalty. THEY LIVE AMONG US (IN HIS CASE- IN PRISON)!
ReplyDeleteWill David Webb wait for Joey like a good wife should?
ReplyDeleteI hear people drop dead around him.
DeleteNo one here is defaming this judge David, I disagree with you.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who said horrific things about joey being raped in jail is sick themselves. I have never seen Ginger call for joey's head. I know I never have.
I am surprised the judge went with the consecutive sentences, but I wouldn't say I am shocked. Judges across the country have been known to come down hard on sexual assault cases, others don't. It really was up to this judge.
Joey really did do this to himself. He did what he wanted without regard to the consequences. He has a lot of time to think about that.
You need to get over the fact that we were right about Joey being a criminal, and that he was found guilty for what he has done. You should also remember he got away with doing so much to people who didn't deserve it. It's not a happy thing no matter how you look at it.
I don't see the hypocrisy here you do. You are free to walk away if it is bothering you so much.
Times a wasting for you
DeleteOh, and Mr. Windsor don't worry, Everyone will be back to talking about you here soon, so don't go crying cause your not getting attention, in other news I'm going back to school to get an Associate in Computer Networking (which should only be a year), that was decided today by me -Brannon
ReplyDeleteGood for you Brannon!
DeleteAwesome news Brannon!!
DeleteAwesome Brannon!
Delete@ Brannon: Good for you. Education is never a waste of time and something nobody can ever take away from you. Where are you going to school?
DeleteYa, it is, I'm not gonna say where I'm going, don't want Mr. Windsor calling the school and telling on me....hahaha it's in Dallas though
Deletebut ya it will be the difference of $11/hr. doing techSupport for Verizon Fios, which is what I did do, and making $25-$30 for other places -Brannon
great, I hope you love it
DeleteAtta boy Brannon, you know you are my boy
DeleteCongratulations on your decision, Brannon! You are very intelligent & creative, you will excel! Best Wishes to you on you new endeavor. I realize that you've had a difficult time with your friend being in trouble. I see that you are a good friend to those you care about. That is a great character attribute. I hope the best for you in all you do!
Delete*I still wanna be in on the interview process of any love connections* Alpacas are very territorial & protective~
sniff...sniff....our boy is growing up.....
DeleteWe're going to have to beat those girls off, they'll really be after him now. An educated professional with a little dough in his pocket.
lol, when I meet a girl, I'll be sure to tell her, your gonna have to pass an extensive interview test at joeyisalittlekid.blogspot.com and then I'll tell her, don't worry there expecting you, hahaha-Brannon
DeleteLOL
Delete@ Brannon: BTW - that was a head's up thing you did, not answering the question about school. I'm sorry I asked, but know that it was motivated by a genuine concern and interest in your future.
Deletelol @NBTDT ya I was actually wating for someone to ask, just so I could make a joke at his expense: "I'm not gonna say where I'm going, don't want Mr. Windsor calling the school and telling on me" so thanks for asking -Brannon
DeleteIn that case, glad I could help. Happy to play your straight man any time.......
DeleteIf you wear that orange morph suit the first day of class you will have to beat the women off of you. Between that and your drop dead eyes you got this Baby. (you lost me with the mention of the bead but I still wish you well)
DeleteIf you do wear the morph suit to class, I think you might have better luck if you stuff a strategically placed sock. Don't think of it as false advertising, more of a marketing tool. Or you can always use the Castanza approach.
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cUNNKzj_Nc
I see Webb is unsuccessfully attempting to accuse Ginger of something untrue. Did anyone confirm PSI received Webb's smearing hate campaign against the young boy and his family? The same way Joey initiated it when first arrested?
ReplyDeleteGinger, hows Tarrant County? I didn't realize you moved.
its the place to be I guess
Deleteahhhh, ok, I'm back from the gym, got my drink in hand and now I'm ready to do one of my favorite things.....slap down old man webby.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, did you notice the title of my post...the first word was "Did" and the title ended with a ? You know what that means? It means its speculation.
The Judge made a decision. He had case law to back him up either way he wanted to go. This means its a judgment call. He is the only person that knows for sure why he did what he did and until he decides to tell us all, we are free to speculate. Welcome to America.
Since the law would back him no matter what he decided, it could have been anything that pushed him to this decision. Maybe he didn't like Joey's testimony, maybe he read something in the NYT the other day that said sex offender repeats are increasing, maybe it was a political statement, maybe it was a statement that he is hard on sex crimes, maybe he didn't like the way Joey looked at him this morning, maybe he talked to Judge Carroll and Patrick Wilson about Joey's career leading up to this or, maybe he read your article and didn't like what Joey said to you.
The idea that the Judge would have to call you up to the stand and enter your little blog as evidence in order to consider its content is just stupid. This is no longer a trial, its a judgment call.
So I can blog and speculate about whatever theory I want. So can you, the only difference is my blog is being read by thousands of individuals around the country on a daily basis.
Then you say "The DA told me I had a big following with the state."
Of course they love you David, you were an outstanding asset to the prosecution. Your stories helped show them exactly what kind of defense Joey was planning to mount.
I don't agree with the judge.
ReplyDeleteToo long. One romp. Not forced. Still sick. But 30 years? Too long. Wish the judge would reconsider. Joey would be better off with a non-stacked... Serve 8, stay on probation with registry. At least then he could still have life and grow up.... Now he'll be 70 probably when he's finally done with probation.
^^^^^He should have taken the plea bargain too....
DeleteDespite all that, still it's just too long.
I agree with you, and lets not overlook the other thing, he maxed out the probation. He could have said just one or two years probation but he maxed that puppy out as well. Which is why I'm SPECULATING on what kind of a message the Judge was trying to send.
DeleteGinger, off topic, but I'm curious, is there a place or way that we (clubhouse visitors) can view the traffic stats to your blog? Any blog? & do the stats you are able to see as an admin show the amount of 'shares' your blog gets? I don't want to know specific visitors, just want to see how your audience is growing. And, how it stacks up to others I read.
DeleteYes, Petunia has been sooo very busy, (probably very thirsty) running all over the place waving and inviting guests to come play. Love that Alpaca!!
DeleteI have no idea if there is a public place to view the traffic, and I don't know about the shares either.
DeleteOReader has set up a more specific tracking software than the one BlogSpot provides so I can see how many and where people are looking at the blog at any given moment. For instance, just today this blog was viewed by people in: Texas, NY, Ari, Georgia, Cali, Ore, Oh, Fl, Mi, Ne, Al, Co, Mary, Ka, Co, and Mo
OReader is our "tech support" for joeyisalittlekid
hahahaha - I read 'Mary' and thought you meant Mary B and, now how did you know she found us. Duh....Maryland.
Deletelol,
Deleteoh and this doesn't include the mobile devices
hahaha me too. Mary B. I think they're all Windsor obtaining evidence.
Delete**WAVES HAND** I admit to being the Missouri hit! Hey nothing like the Ozarks.
DeleteMr. Webb,
ReplyDeleteYou wash your hands of any and all responsibility from your own written words yet try to pin the smallest sentence on Ginger? How can that be? One blogger (ginger) should be lynched and the next (webby) is free to say anything he feels without repercussions. Are you sure you are of sound mind David?
@Ginger Snap: What you are best at is telling lies. I've never written anything outlining Joey's defense strategy. I didn't know it. You've lied about my involvement with Joey. You've lied about my motivation for covering the story. You are simply a liar. As far as your claim that you have thousands of viewers daily, I suspect that is another one of your lies. After all, you are an anonymous coward sniping at other people. You cite several states from where you have viewers. My audience base is worldwide. I imagine my traffic dwarfs yours considerably. What on earth sort of respect do you think a writer with a byline of a cookie commands? Have another drink. You will never slap me down.
ReplyDeleteDavid WebbJanuary 25, 2013 at 9:59 PM I imagine my traffic dwarfs yours considerably
DeleteImagine. Yes. That's why no one ever comments at your blog. Ginger has only copied your exact words when quoting you. You cannot blame her for the things you've said.
"I've never written anything outlining Joey's defense strategy."
Deleteyou published what Joey told you, I never said you had to "know" it.
"You've lied about my involvement with Joey."
be specific
"You've lied about my motivation for covering the story."
that's called speculation, you can say its wrong, but lying plays no part in that
"As far as your claim that you have thousands of viewers daily, I suspect that is another one of your lies"
I can not overemphasize this point enough: I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK (sorry Jimmy). You disgust me on a molecular level, and if we did agree on something I would feel icky.
"After all, you are an anonymous coward sniping at other people"
well you say you know who I am, out me. Quit being a coward and do it.
LOL, I was going to point out the shear volume of comments on The Rare Reporter, why I think there actually was one recently.
DeleteAnd webb, who said this is a competition on page hits? I really think you would lose on that too. You just don't post that often.
I gave you a page hit today though, you're welcome.
I don't need to detail your lies. You know what they are. It's not necessary for me to out you.
ReplyDeleteYou and your friends have already crossed the line several times as regards defaming me. Up to this point, I don't really care because few people even know you exist. If it ever gets to the point that I can't tolerate it anymore I will ask my lawyer what I need to do.
For now, you are just some weirdo commenting anonymously under the name of a cookie. Do you really thing anyone other than your little sick band of weirdos takes you seriously? I don't think so. But it is still a good idea to monitor freaks so I have made sure you are being observed. Who knows what kind of madness you may attempt as you get bolder and crazier.
You really need to get some mental health treatment of your own. The type of stuff you write everyday is not exactly representative of a mentally healthy individual.
David WebbJanuary 25, 2013 at 10:24 PM
DeleteThe type of stuff you write everyday is not exactly representative of a mentally healthy individual.
Neither is a journalist who blames a young rape victims or their surroundings for their own rape. I'd rather kill myself than listen to two seconds of your blather.
David, who hurt you so badly in the past that you are such a sad bitter man? Speaking of stenches, I can smell the self-loathing you have for yourself from here.
DeleteGinger, you are like Carmen Sandiego. Everytime Webb posts, you are in a new location. I'm not sure if Webb is incredibly stupid or a sniveling lonely old lying bachelor. Senility?
David WebbJanuary 25, 2013 at 10:24 PM
DeleteYou and your friends have already crossed the line several times as regards defaming me.
You've done the exact same to all those on this blog but you refuse to take responsibility for your own actions. Coward.
David, do we have to explain that no one has slandered or libeled you and hence no one has defamed you all over again?
DeleteOpinions webb, opinions... and just because you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal or actionable.
"I don't need to detail your lies. You know what they are. It's not necessary for me to out you."
DeleteYes, yes and yes
"You and your friends have already crossed the line several times as regards defaming me."
Wait, you told me all those "friends" were just in my head, which is it?
"Up to this point, I don't really care because few people even know you exist. If it ever gets to the point that I can't tolerate it anymore I will ask my lawyer what I need to do."
Oh please tell us, what can we do to get you to that "point", I've been trying my best so far
"For now, you are just some weirdo commenting anonymously under the name of a cookie."
Hey, I resemble that remark
"Do you really thing anyone other than your little sick band of weirdos takes you seriously?"
Well first of all, thanks for calling all of them "sick weirdos", but no I don't know what anyone does
"Who knows what kind of madness you may attempt as you get bolder and crazier"
This is about as bold as its going to get.
"You really need to get some mental health treatment of your own. The type of stuff you write everyday is not exactly representative of a mentally healthy individual."
Coming from you, that is the greatest compliment anyone has ever given me.
You can stop talking Ginger. Webb must have passed out in his own self-hating drool.
DeleteI doubt he is passed out. He's lurking. Maybe too drunk to type though.
DeleteHe is pretty much out of options, he knows he isn't going to win a war of wits on this blog, so really all he has left is to "out" me on his blog. Come on Webby, you, like the Pie Man, have thrown a ton of threats my way, but now I'm calling your bluff. Put up or shut up.
DeleteWe're talking about Webb here. The best you'll get is a "fluff" piece.
DeleteI think he owes it to his reader to show them who this big bad leader of the snake pit he found is. He threatened to go to the Judge, he threatened to out me with his....what did he call them oh yeah "official" documents. I call his bluff and he backs down every time with the well "For now, you are just some weirdo". Come on Webby, you made a big bad bold claim, don't weasel out of it, out me.
DeleteHe is that other name we call cats. A great BIG cat. here kitty kitty kitty.... whatsamatta with webby?
DeleteOh look, I found a can of whoopass! David, you here princ-ess?
DeleteFirst, I agree with this post and fully expect David to address it:
AnonymousJanuary 25, 2013 at 9:51 PM Mr. Webb,
You wash your hands of any and all responsibility from your own written words yet try to pin the smallest sentence on Ginger? How can that be? One blogger (ginger) should be lynched and the next (webby) is free to say anything he feels without repercussions. Are you sure you are of sound mind David?
I see Webby is trying to put another spin about something Ginger wrote? Oh dear, he's going to call the judge on you. How the hell does this guy live with himself? He's for Joey's freedom of speech no matter what Joey has written but we dare use Webby's very own words against him without altering them in the least and he's calling his lawyer.
This guy is beyond nauseating.
Webby show us the law books where it's protocol these investigators MUST place a great blogger like yourself on the stand PRIOR to the judge making his decision? Are you that big of an asshat? I think the judge and this pre sentence investigation looked at Joey's life as a whole.
And what the hell are you saying about NOT blowing Joey's defense? You didn't even know it? Gosh darn shucks I have a recording that's almost word for word what the defense tried to do in defense of the court. That recording was prior to Joey's trial. But you're not chummy with Joey at all.
ALL of your info regarding the slander, libel crap you said about the teen, his extensive sexual aggression, his multitude of previous claims accusing others?? ALL lies straight from Joey's mouth. Certainly NOT from any actual investigation. YOU Said all of that and the fact you firmly believe he is innocent.
So come back on here and don't address ANY issues or possibility this judge received information about your smear campaigns and tirade against this child... just come back and yell how Yappy is yapping her mouth off and that's not fair!!!!!! (because readers, that's what webby will do, yell at yappy).
David is the leader in diversion tactics, steering readers away from the pertinent vital topic.
What the hell ever webby.
As far as your endless moronic threats to 'out' us weird sick bloggers (thanks for the compliments ). ... Quit playing your game already and like Ginger who maybe from Plano or Tarrant or Mabank or Pabank, or Waxamaxmyshoes, Texas... says - put up or shut the hell up. Your threats are empty & meaningless and we laugh so much at your insanity... (in privately of course) ;)
Remember David, your task at hand is not to yell at yappy, its to answer questions posed to you so YOU have the ability to clear up the huge ASSumptions about you. But knowing you, I know you can't help yourself. lol
You're just so pathetic if you didn't have someone to fight with, you'd fail to exist. You thrive on chaos and where it doesn't exist, you create it. That's how sad your real world truly is.
My heart breaks for Ginger, Webby won't out you and Bill won't either.
DeleteI know. Both of them make threats to me and I call their bluff and all we get is crickets. I guess that is what to expect from two Internet bullies who are trying to hide their own insecurities.
DeleteSniff sniff
Back to the corner to pout
Tonight is inmate date night. Tomorrow night is Miss Cell Block pageant. Joey has sooo much time on his hands!!!! I mean 15-25 more to go!!!
ReplyDeleteWow. That is 5745 days is Joey only does 15. Thats A LONG time to be DAUBEN Free.
ReplyDeleteI would expect to have a hit put out on me from behind bars before too long haha.
Joey might end up being a prison gangster king pin... Im quaking in my boots now.
LOL.
ReplyDeleteNow this is priceless. Joey the Pedophile Public Service Announcement!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2cCzfsE5Yo
This one is better.
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A4KbOxvwcI
thats f-ing awesome!
DeleteOn the one hand, this doesn't really seem like the time for humor, but on the other hand just last night I dug up the archive of one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
DeleteThis is an archive of the Libertarian Politics Live online radio show. For a while Joey hosted that show while the regular host was away. This show had a special guest, Shirley Q. Liquor.
This episode appears to have been removed from LPL's radio account, but I saved it because it was about the best radio show I'd ever heard. Shirley comes on about 29 minutes in. Interestingly, this show, according to my records, was from September 25, 2007, the Tuesday before the events.
http://www.breechesandhose.com/otherfiles/joeyradio.mp3
Upon further research, I find that my records are incorrect. That show was from July 3, 2007. The archive is at
Deletehttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/libertarian/2007/07/04/libertarian-politics-live-tuesday
Can someone explain to me why David adds this line to the Cedar Creek blog, but leaves it out of the rare reporter blog.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to sex with a minor:
"This law applies to both heterosexual and homosexual activities. "
Why does he need to clarify this? Are there people that think there is a gay sex loophole for statutory rape? Or is it the other way around?
And yes yappy, Webb had to include the detail that the victim didn't object. Webb has ZERO grasp on how child predators and grooming works.
Webb you are revictimizing the boy by making that an issue without any qualification. Remember the testimony regarding grooming? Joey set the scene to make the boy feel awkward and inexperienced and uncool for saying no. His testimony regarding the canoe and washroom basically summed Joey up as presenting it as "everybody does it" rite of passage type thing. That is Not a result of a few drinks. That is calculated. Joey had either done it before or he was following in the footsteps of somebody who did it to him. Joey found a boy that fit the general profile to be easily groomed, he assisted in lowerinf the boys inhabitions, presented himself as a cool role model type, and proceded to seperate the boy from the pack. Textbook grooming. So it is no surprise the boy felt he couldn't say no. Joey set him up. The boy told a girl the very next day and she didn't believe him. Don't you think at 14 that would be embarrassing? Can you imgine the trauma and self doubt and confusion for this boy? Obviously fucking not or you might show a little compassion for him and write something worth a crap.
minors could WILLINGLY go along with it, even without being groomed and it would still be a crime. Minors cannot legally give consent so the whole argument about him not objecting is moot.
DeleteAbsolutely. It's a crime. Period, but Webb admits that it is a crime and it is wrong, but he keeps wanting to try to minimize it by letting us know it was consensual. But, there is a reason that minors are not able to give consent to such acts with adults, and Joey played on every one of those.
DeleteCan you imagine what Webb's article would have been like if the kid were a couple of years older and Joey a couple younger? How many new excuses would Webb throw out in honor of Joey? As the events happened, this was between a child not yet in high school and Joey who was old enough to have completed grad school. Those should be very different ages and maturity levels.
I just don't think Webb understands the reasoning behind the statutes. He doesn't think back to the CHILD that Joey raped. He only sees the young man that testified in court. I'd say Webb needs to spend some time around 14 year olds to see just how inexperienced and young they are, but I'm not sure anybody wants their kid around him. He is waaaay too apologetic for Joey. Creepy.
Who in their right mind tries to rationalize an adult doing this to a 14-year-old? Webb tried to make the child old as possible to somehow justify Dauben's actions. It want a teenage romance with one person being of consent and the other almost being of age. You are a disgusting excuse of a man, no matter your sexual orientation, to even suggest that ths victim is partially responsible. Age of consent, look it up.
DeleteWait wait wait! Stop the presses! I just saw the title of Webb's last Joey article:
ReplyDeleteAlcohol binge, underage companionship lead to disaster
Hmm "binge," Webb says. Binge and buzzed have entirely different meanings to me.
David Webb needs to stick to gay porn like active duty dot com or broke straight boys dot com.
ReplyDeleteWebb: This blog thrives on a badger troll technique. They'll poke at you, and poke at you, and poke again, until you are forced to bite back. Once you bite back, they jump all over you.
ReplyDeleteThe best thing you can do is ignore them. Completely. Do not respond back. Let them stew in their own fury.
They have done this now about Joey, Joey's dad, Joey's mom, Connie, Presely, Bill Windsor, and you, and early on to Brannon.
Now that Joey is gone, Joey's dad ignoring them (despite their pokes), Joey's mom ignoring them, Connie pretty much ignoring them, Presely is gone....
They jumped all over Bill.
They need more meat, and Webb YOU are their next target.
Ignore them. This blog is dying. They need you Webb to feed them.
Naw, we know how much Webb stalks this blog. He needs us in order to make his life count for something. No one around him in his real world can stand being with him for longer than 3 minutes. Thanks for trying though and tell Connie she should lay off, that Roseville IP pops up at least 2 dozen times a day. Or is that what you mean by she's pretty much ignoring us?
Deletefirst of all, are you saying this to him here or are you copying something from somewhere else?
DeleteWebb: This blog thrives on a badger troll technique. (is that really a technique or did you make that up?) They'll poke at you, and poke at you, and poke again, until you are forced to bite back (there are two things you would need to have done to be getting poked by this blog....1. said something really stupid and 2 said it publicly). Once you bite back, they jump all over you.(well yeah, assuming that what you say is also stupid)
The best thing you can do is ignore them. Completely. Do not respond back. Let them stew in their own fury (I'm not furious at all, but I don't think Webby can ignore us, he likes to play the persecutorial role)
They have done this now about Joey, Joey's dad, Joey's mom, Connie, Presely, Bill Windsor, and you, and early on to Brannon.(don't forgot John Margetis, Jeff Barron, Barbara Farris)
Now that Joey is gone, Joey's dad ignoring them (despite their pokes) (he has always ignored us, that's not gonna stop the pokes), Joey's mom ignoring them, Connie pretty much ignoring them (Connie is too easy), Presely is gone....(oohh but we are not done with her)
They jumped all over Bill.(uh huh)
They need more meat, and Webb YOU are their next target. (not quite, there isn't much meat on his bone, there is still plenty left on the pie man)
Ignore them. This blog is dying. They need you Webb to feed them. (it would be hard to say this blog is dying at this point)
Ginger?
DeleteI heart you.
and I heart you, my Minister of Alpacaganda
Deleteyou hearing anything through the back channels?
Blog dying? Ha ha. Try thriving. I see the numbers.
Delete"They have done this now about Joey, Joey's dad, Joey's mom, Connie, Presely, Bill Windsor, and you, and early on to Brannon.(don't forgot John Margetis, Jeff Barron, Barbara Farris)"
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