Friday, December 7, 2012

The Continual Misinformation of David Webb

So David decides to give us his front page treatment at his blog the rare reporter. We are a pit of vipers and spew a bunch of hate speech according to David. He is actually forthcoming in several aspects of his coverage with Joey which I appreciate, but he flat out lies about several of his claims. His first lie is that he continues to blame this blog for rumors that his coverage of Joey was because both of them were gay. Thats absolutely not true, neither myself or any other commenter on here made that claim before he came on here attacking us.

Then he makes this statement: "Then the author of the blog I referenced earlier as a snake pit contacted me, saying he understood that I had some kind of special connection with Dauben, who remained jailed at the time. He asked me if I would agree to be an anonymous source for his blog so he could write updates about Dauben's situation. I declined, saying that I really had no special inside track, nor would I do something like that in connection with any story, even if I did have an exclusive source. The truth is that Dauben probably would have communicated with anyone who would have reported about his situation, even this enemy who started the blog for the specific reason of attacking Dauben."

The first part of this is a straight up lie, I never said he had some kind of special connection, and the second part is a mischaracterization of my words.

So here you go, our entire email conversations unedited and unspun. You can reach your own conclusions:



Hey David,
I have been following your stories on the Joey Dauben situation. I have been a longtime critic of Joey, not because of his current charges or what he said his causes were, but of the way he did things. He was sloppy, wreckless and arrogant, and I knew sooner or later it would get him. Anyway, I have been running a blog about Joey for a while now http://joeyisalittlekid.wordpress.com/
and I was wondering if there is any real information you had that we could update everyone with? I'm not sure all the Judge ended up ruling on you, or if you can or can not continue your blog, but if there is some actual information such as when and where the trail date is, or any message Joey is trying to get through with, I could post it on my blog and leave you completely out of it. I'm not trying to get Joey convicted, but then again I'm certainly not on his side either as I despise the way he goes about things.

Hi:

The judge's ruling had no potential of affecting me in anyway. I was called to testify in the gag order hearing by the prosecutors who wanted the judge to order Dauben, his attorney and prosecutors not to speak to the media. The prosecutors wanted me, as a member of the professional media covering the case, to testify to the court about the amount of media coverage that has occurred, which is routine in gag order motions and in change of venue motions.

The judge denied the gag order motion, but Dauben's attorneys have advised him not to talk to the media about his case. That's the reason I haven't written anything else. There hasn't been anything to say.

I am not advocating anything other than that the public be kept informed, which has been my role as a professional journalist for more than three decades. I would hope that everyone believes as I do that Dauben is entitled to a fair trial, regardless of how many people he has angered over the years with his reporting, which admittedly has sometimes not conformed to accepted standards of professional journalism.

You can read the last story I wrote about Dauben at http://www.cedarcreeklake.com/blog_article.php?baid=210&src=myacc

I don't anticipate writing anything else until the trial, unless something unexpected comes up. The date of the trial is available to anyone because it is public information. You should contact the court for that information as I'm not certain when it is scheduled. Trial dates often get reset multiple times before one actually takes place.

I have no idea what Dauben is currently thinking about his legal problems. The last time I talked to him, which was after the gag order hearing, he told me that he planned to follow his lawyers' advice to the letter.

Hope this answers all of your questions. Thanks for reading my work.

David Webb
 
justin thompson<>

to David
Yeah I hope he gets a fair trial and frankly I hope he gets off on these charges (he can't entertain me in prison). I have seen one of these papers of his, but it looks like there are more. Do you know how many he has out there and where you can go to get them?
thanks for you answers
 
David Webb <>
May 31
to me
I actually have not seen any of the newspapers. I interviewed him via telephone text messaging for that story about publishing the papers. He said something about someone scheduling a protest, and that they planned to distribute them during it. I think that was supposed to be before primary election day. To tell the truth, I've put Dauben on the back burner until the trial and haven't given the case much thought. I just looked at your blog. Your information is more current than mine. I didn't know anything about books being written or the radio talk shows. Humorous.

justin thompson <>
May 31
to David
I have the link to this one http://imageshack.us/g/23/eco1o.jpg/
like a 13 year old wrote it.
 
David Webb <davidwaynewebb@yahoo.com>
Jun 6
to me
Justin:

I read your recent blog post. I actually know very little about Dauben and his history. I met him about a year ago when I wrote a short story for cedarcreeklake.com about his relocating his office to the area. The stories in the Dallas media about him sparked my interest so I invited him to lunch at a local restaurant to interview him. Then, I resumed contact with him via mail, and later phone, after he was jailed to write about his legal problems. I've actually only seen him in person twice, once at lunch and then at the gag order hearing.

I noticed your references to his family and in particular his father. Has Joey followed in his father's footsteps somehow? This is just for background. I'd just like to have a better understanding of how Joey was brought up and what has led him to be a religious, political crusader. I'm not actually planning on writing anything else at this time, other than a final wrap-up after the trial.

DW
 
justin thompson <>
Jun 6
to David
Hey David,
Yeah he is very similar in his dad's beliefs, but differs in application of those beliefs. His dad is very conservative/traditional, he has said things (this is coming through Joey) that could even be considered somewhat racist as well as regionalist (he hates the yankees), and Christian although I would say its more of part of the puzzle piece for their world view than would I say he is a devout Christian. The big kicker though is he is deeply conspiratorial. You know, we didn't really land on the moon type. Joey adopted this worldview, everything that happens has some sort of deep mastermind presence behind it that is evil at its core yet those that are orchestrating it have all the power so there isnt anything you can do about it. This is the part where Joey and his dad differ, his dad told him keep it quiet or they will get you, Joey said no I'm going to make it my mission in life to expose this for what it is. And thus a very interesting career is born.
Yeah I have known Joey since about 2006. I'm kinda like you in that we may have lunch together once a year or so but most of the correspondence would be through email. Joey in real life and what he writes online are two completely different people. He is very friendly and somewhat meek in person, when he gets behind his keyboard its a different Joey. When he was first starting out, just out of high school, he had a ton of potential but he always gravitated towards people that shared his dad's worldview. Do both of the DA's want to silence him for good? Of course, but the problem is he fell right into their lap by doing stupid things.
 
David Webb <>
Jun 6
to me
What type of work does his father do? Was his father public in his views, such as at city council or other types of public meetings? Are his parents still married? Do you think his father is a white supremacist or one of their sympathizers? What you described is very similar to the anti-government views of white supremacists. Thanks for your input on this.

I thought Joey was very personable, and I honestly didn't get any gay vibes from him at all. I was shocked when he was arrested. Did other people think Joey was gay? I've heard rumors that the person he is accused of sexually assaulting (and I know absolutely nothing about him at all) is gay.


DW
 
justin thompson <>
Jun 6
to David
Joey admitted on his blog way back when he first started it to having a homosexual affair, but said he "repented" and that part of him was gone. I would say he is bi at the least, I know he was after younger girls as well.
I dont know Joey's dad just what Joey has said about him and what he has posted online. They are still married and I think still live in Ovilla. He was very much not outspoken as Joey was, his dad would never voice his opinions in an open forum such as Joey did. I doubt he was an open racist just more of your typical blue collar guy who is extremely libertarian and has this us vs. them mentality about most things.
 
David Webb <>
Jun 6
to me
Wow. Thanks for the insight. We will see what happens. I understand the trial and jury selection is supposed to start June 18, unless something changes. I have a long-planned cruise scheduled for late June so I may miss the trial. I'm actually retired, but I'm having a little trouble letting go of continuing to write the news. The sense I'm getting at this point is that if something happened it was consensual, but the guy was obviously underage. The law is the law, and there is just no way of getting around that. Thanks again for answering my questions.

DW
 
justin thompson >
Jun 6
to David
yeah I dont think it was aggravated and I certainly dont think it ruined anyone's life or such, but this is exactly why you dont spend you life slandering and going after public officials like this because when you get caught in the cross hairs like this what do you think they are going to do? They will apply the law as its written.
 
David Webb >
Jun 6
to me
You aren't Susie's son are you? I had a friend whose son's name was Justin.

Sent from my iPhone
 
justin thompson >
Jun 6
to David
nope
 
David Webb >
Jun 6
to me
Thanks that would have been weird

Sent from my iPhone

12 comments:

  1. Doesnt really stand up to this statement from David: "About this time I received electronic messages from two of Dauben's bitterest critics. Both apparently held grudges against him because of his previous reporting about them or someone close to them."

    Notice how bitter and hateful I am towards Joey in those conversations. More of David's revisionist history lesson.

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  2. Here is David in his email:
    "I'm actually retired, but I'm having a little trouble letting go of continuing to write the news."

    Notice he said retired, not semi-retired as his new spin tries to make it. So I wonder where I would have gotten the audacity to claim: "In addition to ridiculing me for being old and gay and suggesting I might be a child molester, they claimed I no longer am a journalist"

    Oh and way to throw in the complete hypothetical I made trying to get you to understand the venom of what Joey says when I said "what if I called you a child molester" into claiming we said you were a child molester.

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  3. Great argument... Guys, let the courts decide. Otherwise junk like this furies into grade school girl arguments.... Seriously.

    HOWEVER -

    Yesterday I saw a video with some poor kid talking about "Daddy's worm".
    It IS HAUNTING.

    I dunno if that is common place for everybody else to see messed up stuff like that, but I'm disturbed.

    Either IT happened, or Mama's nasty delusion happened.

    IMHO, all this other stuff is fun and games.
    That was some seriously messed up stuff.

    How's that crap even online on a YT server in America?

    David you ought to report on that video.
    (I don't know who you are, and I've only known Joey in his fight against high taxes. All this gay camp stuff, porno molester cops, and Amber H.'s family telling him to hush was news to me).

    That's a disgusting real story. Apparently, the girl checked out clean by docs and the mama keeps that vid online. If the kid was coached, that is some evil crap. I have no idea... Just hearing that sweet little voice say that... :'(

    I'm going off this computer now, to first puke, forget about that haunting video and have a beer. It takes a lot to disturb me.... A lot. I don't even mind dozing off to the saw series and hostel series of movies. That junk is haunting and kept me up for hours.

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  4. Mommas delusion happened. look at it with real player and slow the frame rate. You can see the edits and stops in the tape where the little girl didn't say what momma coached her to say.
    If you look deeper into iBedwell you will find a sordid past with delusions that started with her father and end with Joey "SAVING" her daughter.

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  5. Mothers who falsely accuse aren't smart enough to edit a video and add words on a screen to sway the viewer. False accusers aren't smart enough to open a facebook and say mantra's like "the abuser will call you crazy" "the courts side with abusers for money" "I'm smarter than all the educated experts who interviewed my child or the doctors who saw the child" "I never coached the kid but daddy coached the kid to tell experts mommy made her say those things".

    Women who falsely accuse men of such horrendous things aren't smart or manipulative enough to get others to side with her online. People who have never met them, seen the child or read any court orders and decisions.

    Connie isn't smart enough to deceive people. Because that would take 4 years of daily practice to refine and change the story until it's smooth and good enough. Oh wait, Connie hates the fact the psychiatrist who determined she was schizophrenic YET LOVES to quote the very same psychiatrist how he found her in the top 1/3 of intelligence in USA population.

    I guess some of the manipulative mentally ill ARE smart. Huh. go figure.

    PS: Jimmy, the situation with Connie's child was one of the BIGGEST Placer County ever investigated because she was raging on everyone and anyone. The problem with it all, is that after the father stopped paying her bills and left her, she took to making bigger and bigger allegations to the police. When one story failed, something new came along. This went on for a year until she hit the 'child sexual abuse' claim. BUT that allegation was conveniently right after she realized she was about to lose all custody of her daughter....

    sooo cue camera please (a handful of days prior to the start of her supervised visitations).

    OH and 1 last thing Connie never tells anyone. Ever. The courts have 5 hours of recorded evidence proving Connie coached her kid. her former LIFE long best friend 'stole' it out of her home and handed it to the judge because she was sick to death of what Connie was doing to that baby!

    Connie had amazing timing... I have some real cheap LEGIT photoshopped pics to sell you Jimmy. Me and Elvis in the 1950's. Just ignore the fact I was born almost 20 years later.

    You were saying???

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    1. All I am saying is "Daddy's Worm" is just about the most screwed up thing I've ever heard in my life.

      So was Joey hanging out with this girl?

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    2. She was in California and never came all the way out here for Joey, unlike Presley. But Joey had turned his ECO into a publicity campaign for Connie. That Daddy's worm video was featured on the front of his site and just about everything revolved around it. Several different agencies and trained experts have all studied that video and reached the same conclusion that it was edited over. Its not that the girl was coached but its spliced together so that her answers are not in the same order as Connie asked the questions. In another of words, its a fraud, and I agree its horrible. Thats why we are trying to stand up against people like this.

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  6. Yaps, did you see Presley's lie detector statement on LA FB?

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    1. Nope. Must have missed it. Actually, I quickly scan his page every other day, easy to miss things when he puts up 100 videos and deletes stuff that doesn't fit with his mantra. Did she take one or did she say she's willing to?

      I believe she's a victim of false memory syndrome so she'd probably pass a lie detector (to an extent) BUT I believe she's also made up a great deal more in the past year or more to her story and that's cognitive / pre-meditated lies. which means she'd fail the key concise questions. That is based more on past screenshots and info I have of her from a couple years back. Her story has altered so much. (yah 2 yr old screenshots..., I'm very OCD about things like this).

      I feel bad for Presley much of the time, she's a victim of her upbringing. BUT as an adult, she has a choice to make the right decisions or carry on what she must know is a lie. If it wasn't a lie, she wouldn't be fabricating 'new' stuff. My 2cents. I better shut up and sleep. Nyquil keeps me awake. maybe I should sue and use this blog as evidence how jittery and nutty it makes me. :P

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    2. a simple "no' to your question O.R.... would have been better eh. lmao

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    3. I have a screencap of it. Lol. But Iam not on the computer at the moment .

      Bill said judges should submit to polygraphs....P said that sociopaths can pass them. Maybe she is catching on to the Con.

      OR is lazy for OReader... check weekend thread

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    4. She is parroting what others have told her and doesn't have a clue. The poly was taken without hesitation. While she attacks the results, she refuses to accept that the accuser also took a poly with the FBI and failed. A release of information was readily signed so that the court would have access to the results but the accuser refused to sign. The refusal to sign the ROI by the accuser has since transformed into "I was never ordered to take a poly." It is true she was never ordered to take a poly but it is even more truthful that she took one when asked by the FBI and failed. A slight change in words to try and convey that they are being truthful. No mention of someone failing a polygraph, just that a person must be a sociopath if they passed one.

      P had an opportunity to have an investigation done at no cost while she went on television. The investigation wouldn't have cost a dime and it would either have proved her to be telling the truth or that it was a fabrication. They clamor for someone to listen and Grandpa Smurf had the resources to help her. The offer was refused because of fear of a polygraph exam was going to be requested. After refusing to take part in any show, An attempt was made to take part in the investigation to prove to P that what she was convinced of was a total lie on the condition that she receive counseling. It was promised that she would receive counseling if it was proven as to what she said was true and it was also promised that she would receive counseling if it was proven the accusation was a fabrication and that she was alienated from her father. Following the show, P went to counseling one time and then flat out refused to attend anymore. Her placement of Grandpa Smurf on a pedestal has transformed to attacking him because her appearance didn't result in what she wanted to happen. All the people that were singing his praises for P, changed to attacking him and calling him names. Just as this idiotic Ryder woman that calls out for a campaign of blasting the courts with emails, they constantly went to his website and his Facebook pages attacking him calling him a "ratings whore". I can only assume that the counseling she was offered, took one time and then mocked publicly regarding being alienated from her dad.
      SC

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