Wednesday, January 16, 2013

The Problem With the Pie Man's Open Mic Tour


This is more of a semi-serious post on why Lawless America is a failure (besides the problems with the Pie Man).  There is no doubt that corruption does exist at any level of power.  It has since the beginning of time, and it will until this world ends, I don't think anyone would question that.  The problem is trying to convince your average Joe, who has no dog in the fight, that your situation is corrupt.  Certainly LA has jumped the shark in this regard.

I have no doubt that some of the individuals in the LA open mic tour have a legitimate case.  The problem is they are drowned out by the never-ending side show circuses  To be effective in something like this you must be exceptionally focused and specific.  Who exactly do you have a grievance with and show me proof of why?  That is what you would need to do to get buy in from the general public.

Instead, we have the LA pie tour and open mic.  Any and everyone can go under his lights and talk about whatever they want.  Everyone is corrupt.  No proof, no vetting, no follow up just bits and clips of some long sordid affair.  Now, the Pie Daddy never really wanted to fight widespread corruption, just his own problems so he doesn't seem to be to worried about the fact that LA has no focus.  Bill is much more interested in picking personal fights with different groups and individuals because, after all, thats how this pie tour got started in the first place.  Bill was legally kicked out of the courts, so he will show them, he will start a nationwide tour to build support for HIM, not really any cause.  He will wrong everyone's rights, just as long as everyone understands its about HIM.

Just look at this little sight seeing trip he is planning in DC.  The lemmings have no idea where they are going, they can't even get a hotel at this point.  Bill says they are pretty much responsible for setting up their own schedule.  Other than one meeting together, which will be like a giant blind date as all these internet personalities meet in real life, there is no co-ordination no plan.  This does bother some of the followers, but not Bill.  He is just after some sort of event he can spin as a major success and continue to build followers and pie across the country.

Then we have the LA facebook page.  Its the wild west.  The conspiracy nutcases have taken it over.  Sandy Hook was a government cover-up.  China is working with our Mafia to control the CPS.  Then you have those that are political activist both on the right and left.  Again, someone looking at that page for the first time would get the impression that LA is about any and everything as long as anarchy is involved.  And as we follow these people more and more, that might be exactly what it is about.

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  1. Perfectly worded. I have said and thought the same things. How can you have so many different areas of corruption to complain about, and stand a chance at being taken slightly serious, if on one had you say "the problem in family court is they give custody of abused children to their abuser" and "false allegations are the problem in custody disputes". (Just to pick one of the more talked about subjects on LA)

    I have even thought that LA could potentially harm these cases, since they have all lumped themselves together, and like you said, there is no direction. It's a free for all. If you have a mass group show up to complain to the Government, that the Government is corrupt...what do they expect is going to happen?
    Also, if someone did buy some pie, it would take years before anything changes. Laws aren't made overnight, yet is appears that the Pie man/child, has lead his sheeple to believe immediate help is coming. Not so, and not cool.

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    1. And one more point, their leader is a LOON!! Verifiable per the internet. Thanks to HIS own history as a vexatious litigant, and his new favorite past time, Internet bullying!!

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  2. Yeah thats exactly right, he has teamed up with some other well known frauds and in the end, everyone associated with this will have zero credibility. Even if they had a good case on their own merits, they compromised their own integrity by hitching a ride to his star.

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  3. I think the false allegations or PAS, in part is why he started the War with AMPP. The National Organization of Women called it a scam, in the fall 2012 report and SPLC also call them a Hate Group. Then he got a check from people that support PAS and then out of the blue he pulls out all the tapes of people that feel PAS is a scam and called AMPP a hate group. His Zombie followers are so dumb they forgot their 6 grade history of who Southern Poverty Law Center is.

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    1. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/a-war-on-women

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    2. Oh yes, that is a valid point. He sided with the PAS pushers on this issue of corruption, and one particular woman (who looks like a real life troll) who wrote a book on PAS, the validity of it, and her belief that all children should be ignored, not allowed to testify, and disregarded completely if matters of abuse are mentioned. (which means if a child says they are being abused it's false, and the child was brainwashed) She even wrote her own amicus brief to present to congress on the subject.
      So, in comes the woman from yesterdays posts, who said her ex kidnapped the child, but no one will do anything because he is the father...Yes, dear, you are not believed or heard, and nor will pie boy help you, because he has sided with the PAS team, and false allegations of abuse, kidnapping, or whatever (your evidence doesn't matter) nor does your child voice.

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    3. someone on this blog said it great about Gary in Fl, he has a Long history of raping children, Pie Man leave his youtube post up about him all mad that he has to paid child support and can not see his child. The Lot lizard one, she lies and said she is homeless and has to paid child support, but forget to tell people her child is Disable and she pass out from drugs in the Car and she think DCF was Hard on her.

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  4. One more tid-bit for the day...suddenly his followers jumped again to a staggering 25,954 this morning. Ahh, the fraud never stops. Did someone add some thousand or so followers, in the midst of his coughing attack, so the t.v. people would think it's a good idea...wait for it... to invest. Yes, that is the word that jumped out at me from his post yesterday. INVESTORS Money, money, money. True colors...vivid, bright, blinding light.

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    1. all the like over 1300 are paid for....

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    2. Yes, but it's the timing that is so funny. It's so clear. He has no faith in what he himself is doing, so as the true narcissist con man, he padded his numbers to boost his fake worth.

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    3. Lawless America Hey folks, have you noticed we have topped the 30,000 mark between Friends and Followers? This is excellent!
      30 minutes ago · Like · 6.........

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    4. Hey folks...pat me on the back...I bought some more bogus numbers...to make me look important...and make you think we are making progress. YACK!!! LIAR!!

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  5. One of the open mic topics...false arrest. Now, here is the way NOT to argue a case...

    "Mary Bagnaschi shared a note.
    5 hours ago.

    Dear Lawless America fellow cast, crew, and supporters,
    I will be sending the police department daily e-mails. The Chief has refused for over 2 years to answer any of my legitimate and serious complaints regarding the 3 false arrests, based on provable perjured statements made by his officers, and in which I was denied all constitutional rights, attacked by police for O probable cause and with O due process to resolve the police brutality I am a victim of! "

    Lets see...sending daily letters could be considered harassment and could appear that these the rantings of a loon. See her entire letter...OMG

    http://www.facebook.com/notes/mary-bagnaschi/dear-chief-of-police-michael-maniago-and-torrington-ct-police-force-todays-email/627258213970497

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    1. These people are so insane that I dont think they have the slightest clue how a sane person reads what they say. If they did have at least a little self awareness, they would at least try and temper the word use a little.

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    2. I know right? I don't know her, or anything about her case, but if I took this before a congressional panel...Boom, straight jacket, locked up. This is what pie boy tapes. While some of the stories are heartbreaking and important issues, it the ones like this, that WILL discredit everything. Guaranteed

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    3. Mary and Cheryl are both Birther tea party loon, they run LA CT group, notice how the Pie man was in HI did not go to the New Papers to get a Copy of Obama birth records... He would lose half the crazy

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    4. http://lawlessamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=348:alex-jones-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake&catid=117:news-reports&Itemid=219

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    5. Mary is very ill, and has been spiralling downward to full on crazy for a couple of years at least. She got much worse after hooking up with Bill. I have read all of her FB notes, she is after every agency and politician in her entire state and may expand it to include even the President soon.

      To say she has issues is putting it mildly...Bill better be careful, she has anger issues too. She even foams at the mouth(according to police reports) when she flips out.

      It's sad.

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    1. yeah I just saw that, he is going to run away from his showdown. Maybe his body is suffering from pie overload.

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    3. Ahhh, that makes more sense. Stall until he figures out how to evade being served.

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    4. Served with pie...good. Served with warrant...bad.

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    6. NothingbettertodotodayJanuary 16, 2013 at 2:58 PM

      @ John: How/why do you know flight schedules and dates? This isn't the 1st time you have been specific when to expect Bill in MT and what might happen when he arrives. Just an observation but it seems to me you are stalking Bill more than he is stalking you..........

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    8. NothingbettertodotodayJanuary 16, 2013 at 3:52 PM

      What you say is more offensive behavior than it is defensive behavior. Maybe if you ignore him, he will go away.

      Just saying.......

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    9. stalkers like this do not go away. Notice ampp and wtp have not been on the offensive, he hasn't gone away. On the contrary he has made a point to say he will spend the rest of his life tracking those people down. I think Mr. Smith is just practicing common sense safety. If I catch wind he is coming to my state I will be doing the same, since I am on his list too.

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    10. NothingbettertodotodayJanuary 16, 2013 at 5:28 PM

      AMPP and WTP aren't tracking Bill's movements and talking about guns or lying in wait for him. When Bill attacks them, he looks like the bad guy and a fool. And, there is nothing about Bill that indicates he is a physical threat. But, based on what I've seen/read, if there were ever to be a physicaly confrontation Bill could also make a claim for self defense.

      If he shows up at your door, give him a pie. I hear he likes everything except strawberry.

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    11. WTP and AMPP have no reason to stalk him. He gives himself away to them as fake and they steer clear of fakes. Sad how he bad mouths those whom well actually do do something though. His movie is laughable with all the cons he has attached and no pros.
      Con number 1 anyone who invests in my movie by buying items will be given credits at end of the movie, dam thats going to be a long credit considering thousands paved his way.
      2. Well gee, the Sundance Film Festival has come and went and gee, no sign of the movie mentioned getting the big break
      3. How can you say every party will be in the movie then state you wont put up targeted people, hell according to everyone interviewed they are targets, and if not will be when he is done, and well WTP only has been targeted by the scam artist once they get revealed not the other way around, that is until a lawyer started stalking thanks to his big mouth. Gee, and to think he is supposed to be for the family and child civil rights movement makes one cringe.
      4. WTP nor AMPP give him a second thought other than LOSER coming to their minds, LOSER L is Lend me a dollar O is for opposite of beliefs S is for sucker you out your funding to fight E is for every chance he gets R is for ridiculous reputation kept.
      Sums it all up why he would want to stalk them!
      They got his number before anyone else did and refused to play it.
      Now that is a hoot for whose stalking who and who is or is not.

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  7. Question, a serious one, no jokes ;)

    Notice how his 'paramount studios' pic is his ONLY Pic whilst in Hollywood yet funny how he took pics whilst in Hawaii on his 'vacation' (maybe to keep the wife happy) WITH Billy in the photo looking out towards Pearl Harbor.

    Sooooo I'm thinking Billy is not - at all - anywhere near Hollywood. I'm thinking he went back home with wifey (who probably went to Hawaii with him) sitting on a double-wide lazy boy chair scooping up a host of local bakery favorites.

    One would presume you're biggest moment - THEE moment you signed those 'contracts' with these major 'tv people' he would have done the usual BIlly pose like all other Billy poses.

    What do y'all think? Ginger? The Marietta Georgia reading your blog, is that often / daily?

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    1. I mean, he doesn't even have a photo INSIDE Paramount Studios gates. On the outside looking in. It's either an old photo from a former trip or somewhere on google images.

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    2. even his coughing fit photo is a fake. lol look at the clock time in the pic and his own post 'time' of 1:45 am. He is so deathly sick he can spent time seeking out stock photos on google?

      https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=427665553980028&set=t.100002097607567&type=3&theater

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    3. I think you might be on to something, that Paramount pic I bet is just a stock photo. So are you hinting that he didn't have the meeting where he met a guy that knows a guy who plans to talk to a guy?

      Looking at the hits now, its hard to go back much now since we are getting swamped with hits all over the country and many are from cell phones so its hard to track. But no, Mariatta Georgia hasn't checked in lately, I dont think he is home, but I'm kinda with you I dont think he is in LA either.

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    4. Welllll I bet he does know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who drives past Paramount Studios each day for work. That much is probably true allegedly ;)

      In the fake cough pic, it shows the time HE posted (however facebook settings does that sort of stuff). While he says its 1:45 am pacific time, his own log on FB to post the photo shows 3:25 am (central). Possibly back in Texas at his son's house which he seems to go there a great deal. The guy can't even 'lie' about the correct time he's posting his pics.

      He's such a photo hog Ginger, so many personal shots standing with people. So why the personal shots in Hawaii and not in Los Angeles?


      Lawless America
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      1-16-2013 - 1:45 AM PACIFIC TIME - LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA:

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    5. most people out in LA are fake like him, I think he is in the hotel putting on airs with another Fake pretending to be in TV....I Just think he never left the hotel by the airport...I also think the person reading ginger shap blog is his sister inlaw...I am sure his wife is not giving him some pie soon, and I hope he get serve in GA, from her because of his Lot Lizard hotel hopping crap

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    6. http://www.unitedstatestours.us/?event=offer.detail&offerId=5200

      interesting question posed by yappy

      there's the answer

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    7. ah ha....I knew that pic was fake. You know how I know it was fake? Because there wasn't a fat old man in front of it.

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    8. LOL!! oh pie man...
      why oh why, must you lie,
      It's quite clear, you eat too much pie,
      Posting pictures, when you're not really there,
      Isn't very nice, to the minions who still care,
      Oh dumb pie boy, when will you learn,
      It isn't nice to con people, now karma says it' your turn.

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    9. Hawaii photo - http://www.oahutours.net/?p=1

      I found 11 results for this hawaii photo
      http://www.tineye.com/search/06a42ffa6230dbe7c23a061cf7c600d6e50fc520/

      and 1 for another:
      http://www.tineye.com/search/01865bd8ce1227ab871373fe6165cf53f62a139d/


      and he reused his own photo from here:

      http://www.roundamerica.com/trip/journal/day146.htm

      I guess Billy's camera was broke in Hawaii because not one of those shots is from Hawaii or Hollywood was taken by Bill on those dates.

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    10. I agree that it's odd that somebody so narcissistic would have to resort to using stock photos rather than photos of himself in all these places.

      Remember when he used that stock photo of a woman he was saying was crazy and emailing him? All his followers jumped on the band wagon and started saying how ugly she was. Billy didn't jump in and say "hey guys, I didn't have this woman's actual photo, so I just put up one that is what I assume she looks like (at least on her ugly inside)." Nope, he let them keep going. And when the lone voice of reason pointed out that the photo most likely wasn't the woman, Bill asked why that person thought that. As if Bill didn't pick the photo himself...

      Oh, and just to continue being stupid, he posted a photo of his wife holding a menu saying he was back in Georgia. However, the photo was from their Round America trip and was a photo from San Francisco a couple of years earlier. Somebody really should start asking questions about where his wife is. For all we know, her body is stored in a cooler...

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    11. OMG OREADER YOU DA BOMB !!!! - wow wow wow excellent find. HOLY schmolly Pie Man lies? I thought he kept stating he never lies, ever ever, ever. ever ever allegedly ever.


      hahahahaha omgosh I'm going to giggle all day at this one. ROFL Billy dude - BOOM. If only I lived in Dallas County area, I would do a 'drive by' to see if Billy is squatting with his boy.

      By 'drive-by' Mr Windsor (should you read this) I mean, in my vehicle with your son's address in hand, driving by his home, looking out my window to see if I could see the pie man. Sadly, I'm unable to do that at this time, I've come down with a coughing fit or maybe it's just a lingering result of laughing too damn much at this!!!

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    12. I think the son is in Travis County. Unfortunately, it's a gated community, so you'd have to camp outside the gate and watch for the white lawless mobile.

      I wonder how mad Daddy D is about his blazer? Maybe if he'd just used the right font for the logo . . .

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    13. Travis County? Much closer. hmmmmm maybe yappy be soon saying " I spy with my little eye something that looks like a wobbling PIE?"

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    14. Oh & Tell Daddy D, I'll offer to purchase wheelie for $100. Maybe BIlly will be infamous one day and that ebay auction could work out veddy well for yapster

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    15. oh look another

      funny how all the cars look old

      http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/545259_427628630650387_821316285_n.jpg

      as found here:

      http://www.netmindbody.com/for-practitioners/seminar-information-and-schedule

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    16. OREADER you've hit PAY DIRT. Home run, Baby Ruth!

      I can't believe ALL his pics are fake? SMH this is hilarious and so so sooo pathetic all at the same time. Excellent FINDS Oreader- tank ya tank ya so much. Joey should have had you as his special investigative journalist, he could have ensured actual credibility in anything he reported!!

      Pie guy lies. whoodathunkit?

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    17. NothingbettertodotodayJanuary 16, 2013 at 3:06 PM

      @ OReader: fantastic detective & forensic work! I thought it odd that photos were outside Paramount's gate but didn't consider he posted somebody else's photos.

      Great Job!!

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    18. I noticed on his pie blog several of the pages of photographs were posted courtesy of the state dept of tourism, so for some odd reason he took no pics in those states or never went there.

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    19. bingo, read the next blog posting on here

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    20. O Reader, thanks for all your hard work...one little detail is off though. The picture of Don Ho he posted he stated he got to see him when he was in Hawaii years ago before Don Ho died, so he admitted that one was an old one...sorry, thought I would point that out before the trolls come in and try to make it all look bad. LOL

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  8. Imagine if our Three Stooges (connie, loryn, and presley) had to sit down and answer some standardized questions about the words they use on a second by second basis:

    How does lightning form? "When Yahweh gets really mad at corrupt judges or pedophiles, and his people pray really hard, lighting comes out of the sky and goes BOOOMM"

    What is a pedophile? "Someone who says meanie things to me or doesn't believe my stories"

    What is the difference between a judge and a corrupt judge? "One of them I haven't met yet"

    What does falsely accused mean? "Thats when someone points out something that I did and I don't want people to know about"

    What is a falsely accused person? "Someone currently in jail"

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    1. LOL true, true.

      And still no word on the void judgment thing that pie boy talked her into claiming...pray for us, pray for us...cricket...cricket...kind a mean to leave all her supporters just hangin like that.

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    2. ROFL Ginger please stop with the questions OMgeee this is a riot.

      What is a falsely accused person? "Someone currently in jail"

      ^^^^ my fav

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  10. ROFLMFAO!! TOO much! I mean REALLY! I am glad that the prior post his lemming was actually thinking for herself and hope that the majority of the other lemmings will SEE him for what he is and what he isn't.

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  11. I'm actually friends with Loryn and Connie. They are not bad people at all.

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    1. I'm sure you're actual friends and not virtual friends with them correct? You've read all the court documentation, the judges decisions and court findings and all the investigations to confirm they're not falsely accusing? (not just what they feed people but read everything)?

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    2. OH goodie! Friends of Connie and Loryn! The bell sisters, ding and dong. Hitched a ride to a falling star and now their asses got scorched as they crashed. They may not be "bad" people but they're not good.

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    3. NothingbettertodotodayJanuary 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM

      @ Anon Friend of Connie & Loryn: Please get a hold of Loryn and find out and report back here what happened yesterday. She got everybody pumped for her hearing then went into radio silence. I'm dying here........

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  12. Off topic here and another ride on the pie mans crazy train...Pie boy says he got the constitution ruled as VOID. So, if that is true, then why is he crying about his constitutional rights were violated. He has no rights, under his delusion.

    Listen to this guys take on Pie Man
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq9j4lmTMjo

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  13. I love how Bill contradicts himself.

    The Constitution is void. & You've trampled on my Constitutional rights

    or

    " I'm proud to be a "vexatious litigant," because that's what corrupt judges call you to make you go away.

    Windsor Banned from Filing a Lawsuit Anywhere in America

    Windsor joins 'Select' Group of Citizens denied the right to file Lawsuits "

    &

    "Lawless America And I haven't threatened anyone with anything but criminal charges and civil charges. And you better believe that ain't no threat."

    Uh, Bill? Umm, you just linked to TWO articles saying you are banned from filing lawsuits, but then in the VERY next statement you admit that you've threatened people with criminal and civil charges, how does that work without going to court?

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    1. And Bill says that the guy claiming to be Loryn's PI has made a threat of physical violence? I read the guys email. I see none. Unless taking a polygraph is considered physically violent to Bill. I mean, I think they have to sit on a little pad that measures their "butt puckering." Hee hee.

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  14. Lo-run didnt have a PI. Really... her PI? had actual videos of the molestation in progress but only revealed them two years later. Why not post those instead of her horrible video attempt at brainwashing her child. She also falsely accused her father and was proven a liar. A false accuser of rape is no different than a rapist themselves. She is abusing her child with her internet rants, photos, and pedo comments. Oh and Miss PI, Delaware County doesnt not administer polygraphs. So post your polygraph you liar, post it, 24 hours, post it or go away liar.

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    1. NothingbettertodotodayJanuary 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM

      I think Loryn said Bill made up the PI e-mail. She claimed not to know what he was talking about. I looked for the post to copy/paste but she took it down.

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  15. I was told how court went by Loryn.

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  16. Why are they not good??

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  17. I have never had any problems with Loryn, Presley, Connie or Crystal and it seems that their 'haters' are abusers themselves. As far as I can see Loryn has never done anything but try and protect her daughter. Crystal has defended her and Connie had an abusive relationship and was trying to protect her daughter. Presley wanted to help save her little sister from an abuser. I don't see what is wrong with that. Your assumption that they are all liars seems quite sexist when you don't know their situations.

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    1. you are right, I don't know Loryn's situation so I have never really said anything about her case. Her behavior only though has been zany to say the least.

      Presley and Connie's cases I'm very familiar with. They are both liars, that's not just my position, that's the position of any authority or professional who has assessed their case. Furthermore, my main problem with them now is that they hurt their child by putting their name and face up all over the internet world. I despise that, whatever the cause and I am critical of them for that.

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    2. So, Anon-I never had any probs with -
      Doesn't do much good to post as Anon over here & then go copy & paste your comments from here on your BFF's public Facebook pages. Duh. Those pesky settings are real monkey stumpers. Just like contents of the links to public records that are plastered ALL over any GOOGLE SEARCH of Connie Bedwell, you must read. And comprehend. After someone else on your friend list did the due diligence & posted Bill Windsor & Lawless America was phony? You took their word for it!
      Go on, click on the TruthAboutConnieBedwell link. Spend 10 minutes actually reading & looking at the documents provided from public records. And then? You, too, can be the 1st of your friends with a breaking news post!

      By the way? You got something unpleasant on the end of your nose...

      Now, go copy & paste that to your Facebook public page.

      *waves*

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